MINUTES OF MEETING 
VIERA EAST 
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT 


The regular meeting of the Board of Supervisors of the Viera East Community 
Development District was held on Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:00 p.m. at Faith Lutheran 
Church, 5550 Faith Drive, Viera, Florida. 

Present and constituting a quorum were: 
Rob Dale ChairmanJDeparting Supervisor 
Jennifer DeVries Vice Chairman 
Steve Colasinski Treasurer 
Pete Carnesale Assistant Secretary 
Ron Rysztogi Assistant Secretary 
Bill Macheras Incoming Supervisor 

Also present were: 

Jason Showe District Manager 
Jeremy LeBrun GMS 
Jim Moller Golf Maintenance Superintendent 
Michelle Webb Lifestyle/Marketing Director 
Residents 

FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS Roll Call 

Mr. Showe called the meeting to order at 7:00 p.m. All Supervisors were present with the 
exception of Mr. Carnesale. 

SECOND ORDER OF BUSINESS Pledge of Allegiance 
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited. 

TInRD ORDER OF BUSINESS Public Comment Period 

Mr. Showe: The next item that we have on our agenda is the public comment period. We 
will ask for any member of the audience who would like to make any comments, to do so now. 
Please state your name and address and keep your comments to three minutes. 


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Resident (John McAbee, 4291 Aberdeen Circle): I filled out a Request to Speak Form. 
Mr. Showe: Go ahead. 
Resident (John McAbee, 4291 Aberdeen Circle): We were here on the 27th of July and 


submitted a request about problems that we were having our backyard falling into the golf 
course. We sent a civil engineer out rapidly right after the meeting, but we've heard no results or 
anything in writing. So, we're here to figure out what he found and to get something in writing. 

Mr. Showe: Yeah, I was trying to get back to you. I didn't have your phone number or 
email address. All of his findings were that he doesn't believe that it has anything to do with the 
CDD property. It looks like it was the way it was constructed. Now that I have your address and 
everything, I'll get a copy put in the mail for you. 

Resident (John McAbee, 4291 Aberdeen Circle): Thank you. 
Mr. Showe: You're welcome. Are there any other public comments? Hearing None, we 
can tum it back to the agenda. 

FOURTH ORDER OF BUSINESS 
Approval of Minutes of the Continued 
August 24, 2023 Board of Supervisors 
Meeting and September 28, 2023 Board of 
Supervisors Meeting 

Mr. Showe: The first item on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from the 
continued meeting from August 24th and Board meeting from September 28th • We have those on 
your agenda and can take any corrections or changes at this time or a motion to approve. 

Ms. DeVries MOVED to approve the Minutes of the Continued 
August 24, 2023 and September 28, 2023 Board of Supervisors 
Meetings as presented and Mr. Rvsztozi seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale: Is there any discussion? Hearing none, 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor the Minutes of the Continued 
August 24, 2023 and September 28, 2023 Board of Supervisors 
Meetings as presented were approved. 

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FIFTB ORDER OF BUSINESS New Business 

A. Presentation of Fiscal Year 2022 Financial Audit 
Mr. Showe: The next item is the presentation of the Fiscal Year 2022 audit. That audit is 
included as part of your agenda. We've received it probably a little later than we would like and 
we're working with them on getting that done. There have been some statutory changes in some 
of the way they have to calculate things. We've reduced the number of leases we have now, so 
we're hoping that next year, it is a little easier. The last few pages are the Summary to 
Management. These are the things that they are statutory required to look at in terms of making 
sure that we're in compliance. You will see that there were no current year findings or prior year 
findings, All the statutory things they have to look at, the District is in compliance on. So, it is a 
clean audit. Itwas submitted immediately as soon as we received it. So,-everything is clear now. 
Mr. Colasinski: It was a good summary of all the financials and the bonds and things of 
that nature too. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah, everything is good. Like I said, they are changing it. So, you'll notice 
if you read this one and compare it to prior versions, there are some additional tables that they 
added in. There are some new things they've added in terms of how many employees and 
everything else. So, it's just a little different format and it takes a little longer now to complete 
those. Ifthe Board is amenable, we can take a motion to accept that audit. 

Mr. Colasinski MOVED to approve the Fiscal Year 2022 Financial 
Audit and Mr. Carnesale seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale: Is there any discussion on the audit? Hearing none, 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor the Fiscal Year 2022 Financial 
Audit was approved. 

B. Discussion of Promotional Golf Rounds 
Mr. Showe: The next item we had was just a discussion of promotional golf rounds. This 
is something that the lifestyle person had asked for. 
Mr. Dale: She is going to be joining us. She's probably going to be about 45 minutes 
behind. She knows we have a full agenda tonight and will be here for her report. It's Trunk: or 
Treat with her only grandson tonight. 

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Mr. Showe: There were only two groups that the Board has given permission to give out 
promotional rounds to. I think she was hoping to expand that and charge that under her budget if 
needed. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, I would prefer more details from her on that. 

Mr. Dale: Did you want to add something, Jim? 

Mr. Moller: Well, I'll wait till she gets here. It was a conversation we had. I know that I 
brought to the Board before, the Titusville Golf Club was doing a fundraising. They asked for a 
foursome. We were talking that if we were to give a foursome out for a charitable event or 
whatever, we can put it under marketing. 

Mr. Dale: Okay, so this is a discussion. I guess I misread this. I was thinking of the 
booklet. 

Mr. Moller: That's what I thought too. 

Mr. Dale: So, we're talking charitable organizations. Okay, let's have the discussion when 
she's here. 

SIXTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Old Business 

A. Action Items List 
Mr. Showe: We can go to the Action Items List. With the Emergency Recovery Plan, we 
are still working on trying to get those last pieces of information and that map. On the plus side, 
if we have not been notified of any drainage issues throughout the storms and everything we've 
had throughout the last year, we're probably in good shape, because that's really where those 
things become apparent. 
Mr. Colasinski: Well, with what we know right now. 
Mr. Showe: Correct. 
Mr. Colasinski: There are many unknowns out there. 
Mr. Dale: Right. 
Mr. Colasinski: Until we can start doing some inspections, we'll have a better 
understanding. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah. That's something that Jim and I talked about. I think, as we were 
looking at it, maybe we just try to put it on an annual basis. Once we have the map with all the 
structures, we can almost use that as a checklist to say, "Somebody go out and check this one." 

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Mr. Colasinski: Well, and we need to understand what we mean by checking, what does 
that mean? Are we going to use some sort of optical equipment to do that, or is it just a visual? 

Ms. DeVries: Are we running water through it? 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. Because that then goes into estimates. 

Mr. Dale: Well, do me a favor, expand on that a little bit, please, because basically what 
we're talking about is Ed's crew going out to look at all of these. 
Mr. Moller: Actually, I got Ed and Rob to get together on all the storm drains. So, they're 
both on the same page on what needs to be inspected as far as basically the inlet and the outlets. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. But what about in between? 

Mr. Moller: That I don't know. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's the stuff that we don't know about. 

Mr. Moller: Right. 

Mr. Colasinski: That can cause us a lot of grief, because if it's embedded in there and it 
flows fine now, but ifsomething gets trapped in there, then it causes grief. That's the issue. 

Mr. Dale: I guess that's why I want you to expand on it, because where we're at is how far 
do we want us to go? Because you're talking probably $90,000 roughly. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, and that's why I'm saying we want estimates. 

Mr. Showe: Yeah, with a stonnwater system of your size, ifyou try to get into a program 
of backing and jetting those lines, periodically, there's no way that that's going to be able to be fit 
within your assessment. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: That's going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, I'm talking about optical type inspections. 

Mr. Showe: Typically, when you go out and visually inspect them, obviously Rob will 
provide you more information, but just from my experience, what you're looking at is, is the 
water equalized on each side? So, that's what will indicate if there's a problem in the middle of 
that pipe, but of the water is here at this end... 

Mr. Colasinski: Right and I get that. The thing is, if there's something that's in there, the 
water can still equalize and then when something else comes along and blocks it ... 
Mr. Dale: In other words, a large tree branch like we had last year. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Right, the issue we had. I just want to understand the difference in cost 
between an optical inspection versus a visual inspection. 

Mr. Showe: Sure. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's all. Just an estimate on that. We can do them periodically in 
sections throughout over the years, but we haven't done this at all, 
Mr. Showe: Right. 
Mr. Colasinski: Until there's been a problem. That's the thing, just understanding what's 
out there right now and getting some defmitions and avoiding the unknown unknowns. 

Mr. Showe: We can certainly ask. 

Mr. Colasinski: If we can go and find an estimate on that, what would it take for X 
number, because ifit's something that takes us 10 years to do it, it's not really effective. 
Mr. Dale: Right. Length on most of these, we're talking most of them 10 to 20 feet or 10 
to 20 yards. 
Mr. Showe: lid have to look. They probably vary throughout. Ifyou want to run a camera 
through there, you have to get rid of the water for that to be effective. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: Which means they've got to cap each end. 

Mr. Colasinski: Again, when they do installations of sewer lines, they run water through 
them and they do optical inspections also. So, there are ways of doing this. I think we just need 
to go out and get some estimates on things. That's all 11m asking. 

Mr. Showe: No, we'll talk to the engineer about what his recommendation is. 

Mr. Colasinski: And that would be fme. 

Mr. Dale: That was a good discussion to have, because I'm going to be honest, I was 
initially under the thought process of just doing a visual at the start and end and see if there is 
any collapse in the middle. But you bring up an excellent point about tree branches or limbs that 
might be caught up in the middle. 

Mr. Colasinski: We ran into that last year in November. 

Mr. Dale: Exactly. 

Mr. Colasinski: It was a surprise. 

Mr. Dale: Thank you, Steve. 

Mr. Showe: The next one is a parking lot paving. I think they are done. 

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Mr. Moller: Yeah. It turned out really good. 

Mr. Showe: Perfect. 

Mr. Moller: I guess they were just waiting on Rob to do the fmal inspection. 

Mr. Showe: Yeah, so we have the requisition and we added it to the agenda today so that 
we could get their payment ready. But obviously that payment is not going to be made until the 
engineer goes out and inspects it to make sure that it's done in compliance with his specs and the 
specs of the contract so that we don't delay another month of getting them paid. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah, we did have a Change Order on that as well, because we had more 
broken parking stops than we anticipated. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. 

Mr. Showe: It was about $3,200 more. I talked to Jim and I said, "You don't want to go 
back there with broken stops, " Ifyou're putting a brand-new parking lot in, let's do it right. 

Mr. Dale: Right. Well, and I'm going to take it even a step further and I'll leave it for 
discussion of the Board. But I think a power wash of the curbing, once everything is completely 
done, would be a nice fmishing touch to it because there's 25 years ofdirt. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's something we can do. 

Mr. Dale: That's what I'm saying. However, Jim wants to proceed with that, I don't care. 

Mr. Showe: Finally, we have the driving range parking lot, which is turning into a 
roundabout situation. There are two different paths here, obviously, there is the path where we 
would go through the Viera East Golf District Association property. Doing it that way would 
require us to go through both the City of Rockledge and the county. The City of Rockledge, 
because the property that we own is in the county. That little strip where we would cross is in the 
City of Rockledge. 

Ms. DeVries: Interesting. 

Mr. Showe: The City of Rockledge wants us to have permission from the Viera East Golf 
District Association before we start working on it. In either case, ifwe use the county's property, 
we're going to be required to do what's likely a minor site plan. So, we would have to work with 
the engineers to draft that up and show it to them. But if it's a parking lot less than 1,000 square 
feet, then it's essentially just a minor site plan. 

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Mr. Dale: Okay. I want to erase the term, "parking lot" and use the term, ''parking 
spaces", because the lot thing is given a false impression, I think. We're talking like three spaces 
here. 

Mr. Showe: Just so that everybody sees it in their agenda, I included some of the emails 
that I've gotten just so that you can see what we're seeing again, because it kind of becomes an 
agency pointing a finger at each other. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. And this is what I was afraid of. A little more background on this, we 
started all of this when Tim was General Manager. So, we've been dealing with this for over a 
year. Where I personally am at, I'm done waiting. We are getting into season. We have residents 
that have not been able to utilize that area because they cannot access it because there is nowhere 
to park. I've mentioned in the past, that they say, "Well,just get a cartfrom the cart barn." Well, 
that's great for maybe a quarter of the year, in the summer, in the afternoon, but when you hit 
season we generally don't have any available carts. 

Mr. Colasinski: In the busier season. We have all year, we play, but when it's a busier 
season, we do not have carts available. 

Mr. Dale: When it's the busier season and that's what I'm trying to allude to, we don't 
have the carts available. So therefore, I would like somebody to make a motion that we move 
forward with the parking spaces. I'm tired of the back and forth on all of this. Had we done this a 
year ago, we could have just done our small little access apron and it wouldn't have been a 
Federal case and we could have put in some coquina and it wouldn't have been an issue. But now 
we've got the City of Rockledge and county and everybody and their uncle involved in this. I 
have no desire to go through the City of Rockledge for any kind of approval. Going through our 
property expands the driveway by what, maybe another 10 to 20 yards. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. 

Mr. Dale: It doesn't significantly add to the cost or anything and it gets the issue over 
with. This is just a festering issue that has become self-inflicted. I think we just need to move 
forward, install the access from our area, get it done with and put three coquina spots in or 
whatever site plan Jim has drawn up and just get it done with. We can put some bushes around it 
and then everybody will say, like the one woman at the end of the one meeting where she came 
to discuss it, when I talked to her after the meeting., she said, "Oh, well that's all you want?" I 
said, "Yes, that is all we want." She was like, "Well we were concerned you were talking about 

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a big parking lot and after 9:00 p m., there was going to be activity going on there and 
everything." It's like, "No, we just want a couple of spots so people can park and access the 
area." 

Ms. DeVries: Yes. 

Mr. Dale: So, I don't think it's a huge issue. Well, I will leave that as a singular issue and 
then there's a follow up issue that I would entertain if somebody were willing to make that 
motion. 

Ms. DeVries: Well, it seems to me like we're in a situation. I call it the crossed arm 
salute. We have the Rockledge people saying the HOA has to approve it and the HOA people 
saying that Rockledge has to approve it. They're both pointing fmgers at each other. Nobody 
wants to go first. I would let both organizations know that's where we're at. 

Mr. Dale: We already have. We sent out multiple letters. 

Ms. DeVries: Just saying, "Onthisdate,we'removingforward withouralternateplan." 

Mr. Dale: We already did that. We gave them a drop-dead date. We did that two months 
ago. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Carnesale: We've gone over it so many times that I would like a motion. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: Thank you, Pete. 
Mr. Carnesale: To make a motion to go forward with the plan, with the entry and make it 

all on CDD property. 

Mr. Carnesale MOVED to proceed with the minor site plan for 
CDD access for the driving range parking lot and Mr. Rysztogi 
seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale: Is there any further discussion on the issue? Hearing none, 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor proceeding with the minor site 
plan for CnD access for the driving range parking lot was 
approved. 

Mr. Dale: The issue is resolved. Thank you. 
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Mr. Showe: I'm just also assuming that part of that motion is whatever we need to do to 
get from the engineer, we can get to accomplish that. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. 

Mr. Showe: I assumed that. 

Mr. Dale: I would add that addendum to it. 

Mr. Showe: Yes. We have that on the record. 

Mr. Dale: Now, here's another issue in relation to that that I was thinking about. The 
reason why it's a concern, what got me a little upset about some of this is the HOA made specific 
reference to the fact that a portion of our irrigation system is on their property now. I didn't like 
that. The only reason why that's their property was pure luck of the draw when The Vera 
Company was doling out tiny little f4 foot swath parcels. What I would like to do, because what 
we did say in our letter, if the BOA does not agree to this by our date, is to purchase the swath 
that is in question, from the BOA for a nominal fee. In return, they would get a tiny little bit of 
cash, but most importantly, we will rescind any maintenance obligations. We will put it in 
writing for them. 

Ms. DeVries: That we will continue to maintain it. 

Mr. Dale: That we will continue to maintain the area. 

Mr. Colasinski: We have to rescind it because if we own it, then we maintain it. 

Mr. Dale: Right, but also for other areas on the course. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. We just need to understand and identify those so it's clear and we 
have that shared understanding. 

Mr. Dale: Exactly. So, what 11m willing to offer in exchange for them giving us that 
swath, since now it's completely useless to them as a wedge issue, is to sell it to us and they will 
not have to worry about any maintenance issues in the future and they get a little bit of cash in 
the process. 

Mr. Colasinski: What's disappointing is that we've gone and taken our own property and 
deeded it to them and to the county, previously for $1. It's a bit frustrating . 

Mr. Dale: Yes. 

Mr. Colasinski: In order to enjoy the benefits that everyone in this community is expected 
to have, that we have to go to that extent. 

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Mr. Dale: Is there any interest from the Board on that issue? I just floated it out there. 
Please discuss. 
Mr. Carnesale: My only question there is, what do we actually gain or lose as a result of 
whether we do that or not? 

Mr. Dale: Part of our irrigation system is on that property. 

Mr. Carnesale: True. 

Mr. Dale: I don't want our noses rubbed in it again down the road. 

Mr. Colasinski: We might be forced to move our irrigation system, potentially also, 
which could cost more than what it would take to potentially buy the property. We have to shut 
off our system, dig it up, put the pipe in a new location, then adjust all of the sprinkler heads and 
so forth. 

Mr. Carnesale: Okay, so basically what it is, is some of the water that's passing through 
those pipes is being used elsewhere on our golf course. 

Mr. Dale: Oh, absolutely. It's part of our irrigation system for the courts. 

Mr. Carnesale: I'm just saying. So yes, we couldn't just cut them off and turn them off, 
because the water is needed from there to get to other areas. 

Mr. Showe: IfI could offer just a couple of suggestions. 

Mr. Dale: Please. 

Mr. Showe: Legally, I'll have to see what's available tools to us in terms of purchasing, 
because I think what a more viable approach may be, is just to approach them with an easement 
agreement that just says, "Listen, we understand that we have our irrigation here and in 
exchangefor you, we'll maintain this." 

Mr. Dale: We'll maintain the area. 

Mr. Showe: In exchange. Then there's no cost. We still don't own the property, so there's 
no additional liability to us for that. 
Mr. Dale: Right. 
Mr. Showe: There may be some additional liability that they will ask for as part of that 
Easement Agreement since we're maintaining it. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: But I think that gets you out of the purchase, which could be a little dicey 
using assessment dollars to purchase property . 

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Mr. Colasinski: It's a simpler approach, overall. 

Mr. Showe: Let me talk to counsel first about how the best way to handle that, if that's 
the intent of the Board. 
Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, I would like to pursue that as the initial path. 
Mr. Dale: I don't want that to be an issue down the road. 
Mr. Colasinski: No, I agree. 
Mr. Carnesale: And I think a written Easement Agreement. 
Mr. Showe: We did an easement agreement with the person that had their driveway go 

over CDD property through a conservation strip. I would imagine there would be a similar 
agreement where they agree that they will maintain it, take the liability for it. 

Mr. Dale: Right . 

Mr. Showe: And it's theirs for use with our property. So, I think that may be a simpler 
process. 

Mr. Dale: But I do want to emphasize that all of this is completely separate from the issue 
that we just voted on and we do expect that to move forward in a timely manner because we've 
been waiting. 

Mr. Carnesale: It's in an agreement on a smaller scale in reverse to the one we have with 
IRCC. 

Mr. Dale: Yes . 

Ms. DeVries: That's a good suggestion, Jason. Thank you. 

Mr. Showe: I just think it's an easier process. 

Mr. Colasinski: Its simpler. 

Mr. Showe: We'll work with it. 

Mr. Dale: I appreciate it, Jason. That's why we bring this up. 

Mr. Showe: Absolutely. 

Mr. Dale: Alright, that was the end of the Action Items List. Correct? 

Mr. Showe: Yes. 

Mr. Dale: Let's move on to the General Manager's Report. 

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SEVENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS Staff Reports 

A. General Manager's Report 
Mr. Moller: Regarding the normal day-to-day operations, they are continuing to treat 
exotics in the conservation areas. In the Fawn Ridge area, there's a preserve that's encroaching on 
some sidewalks. I got with Ed. I guess because it's a county sidewalk and trees are growing out 
of the preserve area, Roden Bridge had issued a work order to trim that back. 
Mr. Dale: Alright, let's talk about that a little bit. 
Mr. Showe: Jim and I have the situation now in about three different places throughout 
the District. We would like to get just some clarity from the Board on how to proceed. That way, 
we have some good direction. 
Mr. Dale: Where I'm at is I kind of view it very similar. I know it's not a fire break or 
anything like that, but we maintain the fire breaks. I know there are no sidewalks on the fire 
breaks, but the county moves at the speed of government. They have not maintained that area for 
multiple years. I know there's a small area in Osprey where we have a similar issue. My feeling 
is it takes Ed and his crew basically a day to go out and whack that stuff off down. I would prefer 
to keep the residents happy. Fawn Ridge is a community that doesn't ever ask for anything. I 
think if we were to just whack that back, it's not a huge expense to the District. Then we have the 
county out of the loop. I don't believe there are any issues with us crossing over the sidewalk or 
anything like that for access. 
Mr. Moller: I don't think so. 
Mr. Dale: I would prefer on those areas, that we maintain it. That way it's maintained to 
standard. I think we should put some of those areas on an annual schedule, very similar to what 
we're doing with the fire breaks. 
Mr. Moller: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: But that's just me. Would anybody else like to add anything? 
Ms. DeVries: I would like to understand the issue. Can you please explain it? 
Mr. Moller: From what I have been told, most of these areas are either wetlands or 
preserve areas. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Moller: I think it's a Florida Statute, that in a preserve or wetland area, if it's alive, it 
cannot be removed. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay? 

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Mr. Moller: So, if you do cut it, you have to let it lie. 
Mr. Dale: My understanding is we can cut that preserve for fire break purposes, but 
wetlands we can't, which is why we don't go into areas of the golf course. 

Mr. Showe: There may be some permit. Again, I don't know all the ins and outs of your 
permits, but the typical issue is, and this is kind of where it gets a little cloudy for us when we try 
to administer it day to day. We have some residents that have called in and there's a conservation 
area behind their home. The request now is, "I need you to cut back the conservation area to my 
property line." Now, when you own a property, property rights in Florida are that anything that 
crosses over your property line, you have rights and responsibilities to maintain that to your 
property line. It would be similar to, if I live next to Jim and I have a tree with some limbs that 
go over Jim's yard, he has the full rights to just take those limbs down as they go on his property 
line. Again, most of our CDDs kind of try to observe that, because getting into trying to trim up 
behind everybody's conservation area behind their homes, could get very expensive for Districts. 
So, we typically reserve that for residents and we just tell them, "Listen, it is your right and 
responsibility to trim up behind your home to the property line and if you have questions, let us 
know and we can help you identify the property line." That's kind of where I think Jim's going 
with the Fawn Ridge issue. Our property line is here, so whatever crosses over and impedes onto 
the sidewalk, is not our duty to clean it. 

Mr. Dale: That's not our duty. 

Mr. Showe: That doesn't mean we can't. We're just kind of looking for some direction. 

Mr. Dale: But here's the significant difference between the scenario you just talked about 
and the Fawn Ridge situation. The Fawn Ridge situation is effectively what would you say, Mary 
Ann, maybe 50 yards? 

Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): It's the beginning. 

Mr. Dale: But it's a long swath that is not a singular household. 

Mr. Showe: Okay. 

Mr. Dale: That's the main difference. If it were a singular household, because I know 
what you're talking about, you're talking about maybe even communities like Six Mile Creek that 
aren't part of the CDD. 
Mr. Showe: Jim and I have two calls that I have to return to people. 

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Mr. Moller: Yes. There's really not a good way for us to get into some of these backyards 
with equipment without doing damage. 

Mr. Dale: But this is very accessible because it's right on Crane Creek Boulevard at the 
entrance to Fawn Ridge. It's the main drag on the left-hand side and you don't have houses along 
there. 

Mr. Moller: Do we have a District policy to where ifit's a common area, we will maintain 
it. 

Mr. Dale: I thought it was well said. 

Mr. Showe: Ifthe Board is amenable to that, I think that gives us some direction so when 
folks call, we can let them know. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah 

Mr. Moller: Because I was worried about if those guys go back there with a little skid 
steer in someone's backyard and tears up their St. Augustine, we can trim back to the preserve, 
but now they want us to re-set their yard. 

Mr. Dale: Right. What are the Board's feelings on that. 

Ms. DeVries: I still don't understand the problem. What is the problem weIre trying to 
solve? 

Mr. Showe: There is a spot in Fawn Ridge where the conservation area is growing over 
and impeding some of the sidewalk. The sidewalk is county owned. So technically, what's being 
impeded is on county property, which is why Jim reached out to the county. 

Mr. Dale: He is referring to the overgrowth on Crane Creek Drive going into Fawn 
Ridge. 

Ms. DeVries: Okay. Is the conservation area our responsibility? 

Mr. Dale: Yes. We own it. 

Ms. DeVries: The sidewalk is the county's responsibility. 

Mr. Showe: Correct. 

Ms. DeVries: Our responsibility is growing over the county's property. 

Mr. Moller: No. 

Mr. Showe: Once it crosses the property line, by property rights in Florida, the property 
that's being impede upon has the right and responsibility to clear it. That is the technical term. 
That doesn't preclude us from doing it. 

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Mr. Dale: Yes and no. What it's doing is it's alienating an entire neighborhood because 
they see our property that is growing over and we're kind of passing the buck by saying, "Oh, 
well, the county's got to take care ofthat. " 

Mr. Colasinski: I don't think we need to pass the buck. When there's a walkway, the 
walkway should be clear and the people in this community use the walkways . That's a service to 
the residents in our community. We should just clear that, make sure that the walkways in our 
community are clear, even ifthe county owns it. Ifour property is adjacent to county property, a 
sidewalk, we should make sure that it's just cooperating, I guess, understood, between 
government entities, if we're making obstacles on the sidewalk for people in our community to 
walk through, we should just clear that. 

Ms. DeVries: We clear the obstacles that our plants are creating. 

Mr. Colasinski: Absolutely. Because Osprey Ridge has that same scenario as well. 

Mr. Dale: In a very small section and it's common area. That was very well said, Jim. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, for common areas like that, I think it's important to make sure that 
we have the passage for the residents. 
Mr. Showe: Just for the Board's information, I know that Jim and I aren't out here trying 
to tell people no, but that's kind of how it's been handled. 

Mr. Dale: I understand. 

Mr. Showe: So, we want to make sure we have that discussion. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

Mr. Moller: I just want consistency with our answers so we don't clear behind Joe's house 
and not Sam's. 
Mr. Colasinski: Is there any sort of motion needed? 
Mr. Dale: We need to change the policy. 
Mr. Showe: Unless I'm hearing it incorrectly, it sounds like the direction of the Board is, 

if there's a sidewalk or pedestrian access that's being impeded in any way, shape, or form from 
CDD property... 

Mr. Dale: We are close to being impeded. 

Mr. Showe: Of course, we would take it upon ourselves to clear that, but that wouldn't 
obligate us to go behind people's homes and clear it. 
Mr. Colasinski: That's correct. It would be a common area. 

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Mr. Showe: Ifthat's the direction of the Board, then I think Jim and I ... 

Mr. Colasinski: Is that a policy we need to craft? 

Mr. Showe: It's not really a policy. It's more direction to staff on how we handle them. 

Mr. Dale: And what I would do is, I mean, in this case, they need immediate attention. 
But what I would consider doing is adding it to the fire break schedule. The only two areas that 
immediately come to mind is that small, little IO-yard section in Osprey and Fawn Ridge that is 
having that issue. 

Mr. Showe: As we were having that discussion, you tasked me with working on that, like 
kind of having an FAQ sheet. I was working on getting the presentation done this week, but we'll 
add that to that so that it's clear if this is your situation, this is how you handle it. 

Mr. Colasinski: We do that on our walking trails. 

Mr. Dale: You are not talking about the PowerPoint? 

Mr. Showe: No, you asked me to do, a Frequently Asked Question sheet. I haven't gotten 
to that yet. 
Mr. Dale: I just want to make sure. 
Mr. Colasinski: As a point of reference, we do that on our own walking trails. The trails 

that we own, we push that back as well. The ones through Heron's Landing, we've done that 
already, so this is no different. 

Mr. Dale: Right. It's the same as our walking trail. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yes. That's a courtesy we owe the residents of the community. 

Mr. Showe: Yeah. That gives us great direction. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. 

Mr. Camesale: Basically, as long as it has to do with common areas, I have no problem 
with it. We don't clear for their properties. We only clear for common areas. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah. 
Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): Must be my lucky day. 
Mr. Dale: You didn't even have to wrap us over the head, Mary Ann. 
Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): Well, we're really trying to clean up that area. 

I was away for a couple of days, but I noticed when I came home, there were new boards up and 
markers and new red pads and I went, "Uh oh, what's going on?" I knew I was coming tonight 

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because of the overhang. I'm glad that we're not the third-class citizens, because you guys and 
the county, we're playing ping pong. 

Mr. Dale: No, I don't want to. You should not be in that position. 

Mr. Colasinski: There's an inverse relationship in time versus taxes paid. The more taxes 
you pay, the longer it takes a government to do something. Sadly. 
Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): Sadly, yes. 
Mr. Dale: Please pass on. I shared this with one of your other Board Members that 

several months ago, a gentleman sent me an email and I returned the email the next day after 
receiving it. Because he never gave me his address or a location or anything. He just put his 
name in the complaint and didn't give me any additional information. So, I politely wrote back 
and said, "We would be glad to help, what's your address?" Then I never heard anything back. 
So please. 

Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): I will make sure. 

Mr. Dale: Thank you. We're on it. 

Mr. Colasinski: We need to be accountable in that regard. 

Mr. Moller: I got with Mr. Bill Anderson, regarding the lakeshore restorations that we 
approved last year for this year. They are going to start in mid-February. We already received a 
call from Grand Isle. We had Rob go out and take a look at it. There was some severe 
undermining there. 

Mr. Colasinski: There was some what? 

Mr. Moller: Undermining. So, basically there was no erosion setback. It was actually 
undermining underneath the St. Augustine. 
Mr. Colasinski: This was along the lake? 
Mr. Dale: Yes. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 
Mr. Moller: So, Ed and Rob went and looked at it. Rob wants to go back and review 
some more. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. 

Mr. Moller: One thing I was thinking, since this one tends to be a pretty good 911. I 
know we were looking at the one lake, but I forget the lake number. It was along Woodside Park 
and they were using bond money. Could we move that money to possibly get this lake in there? 

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Mr. Showe: It's kind of changed a little bit, this afternoon, so we might not have as much 
bond money as I anticipated. 

Mr. Moller: So, that was basically my question on that. Ifnot, we'll get with Rob. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, I mean, the reality is we have to repair versus improve. 

Mr. Moller: Right. He's going to look at it again. 

Mr. Colasinski: If there's money, then we'll need to focus that on repairs versus 
improvement. 

Mr. Moller: Okay. Also, since I'm on lakes, I went to a Marine Resource Council seminar 
on low impact development last week with Ms. Terri Mott. It was actually pretty cool. It was on 
stonnwater systems and things like that. So, a lot of things that I thought I knew, I did not know. 
But anyway, with that being said ... 

Mr. Dale: I don't want to move off lakes just yet, ifyou don't mind. 

Mr. Moller: This is part of the lakes. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay, good. 

Mr. Dale: Because I just have a quick question. 

Mr. Moller: Ms. Mott was working with Pete to do a lOO-footlittle test strip with prisms 
that some students from FIT developed that you plant Spartina Grass in and they basically act as 
a wave break. The concept and design are actually pretty neat. It's about a third, maybe a fourth 
of the cost of the geotube. So, it's almost like planting an artificial littoral shelf, in a sense. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. 

Mr. Moller: They're triangular. I have some CAD drawings of little triangular prisms that 
you plant Spartina's in, so as the waves come down the shore... 
Mr. Carnesale: I am glad you went to the meeting, since I've been to a few of those. 
Mr. Moller: I know. She says she usually takes you and she roped me into it. It was 
interesting. You have some foliage there and it's a good habitat for frogs. 

Mr. Carnesale: I'd like you to make sure that Ron is put into the loop with this. 

Mr. Moller: She has been emailing a Ron. Is that your email because I did not recognize 
it. 

Ms. DeVries: Yeah, we sent it to him. 

Mr. Carnesale: Its RonMikel. 

Mr. Moller: Are you getting the email? 

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Mr. Carnesale: Yes. 

Mr. Moller: Okay. Because I saw the email and I did not know who's email that is. 

Mr. Carnesale: Okay. 

Mr. Dale: Are those available for purchase? 

Mr. Moller: They are made. So, the proposal that she sent me, using, I guess, some of the 
funds that the Board has set aside. 
Mr. Carnesale: There is basically approximately $8,000 in the budget left that was 
brought forward into the new budget and it's already there. 
Mr. Moller: Yeah, there's like $2,000 to do 100 foot of wave breaks with the Spartina. 
She's going to bring in some people to actually to do it and do this test site. 

Mr. Dale: When would we do this? 

Mr. Moller: She's available next month. 

Mr. Dale: So, we would be able to test it before February, which is the geotube 
installation. 
Mr. Moller: Correct. 
Mr. Dale: At what point do we have to commit to a cost with the geotube installation? 
Mr. Moller: I think. we already did. 
Mr. Dale: Crap. 
Mr. Carnesale: You've already got $8,000. 
Mr. Moller: We also have how many hundreds and thousands of linear feet left to do. 
Mr. Colasinski: But the test is still good data. 
Mr. Showe: You're committing $30,000 to $60,000 worth of geotubes annually. So, in 
either case, that's a small thing to test. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. I understand. We're putting a large chunk, roughly $160,000 to 
$180,000, which could've gone three times as far, I guess is my point. 
Mr. Colasinski: That's called lessons learned, Rob. 
Mr. Dale: Yeah. 
Mr. Moller: In talking to Myra, there's the Resource Council, St. John's Water 

Management District, DEP, there are a lot of big organizations into this. So, there's a lot of grant 
money to help fund a lot of this. Because we can be basically a Florida test site for this process, 
if it proves to be successful. 

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Mr. Dale: Ifwe were to break the contract is there a contract breakage fee? 

Mr. Showe: Here's the thing I think to note, the areas that are being geotubed, have 
already deteriorated. The point of these is really a preventative measure versus a repair. 
Mr. Dale: I got you. 
Mr. Showe: So, I think what these would be good for, is the ones we've identified for four 

to five years out that are not as priority . 

Mr. Moller: Correct. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: Get those so that you don't need the geotube. 

Mr. Dale: Its PMCS. 

Mr. Showe: The ones that are getting geotubed, have already gotten to the point where 
we could be affecting their homes. 

Mr. Carnesale: The only thing that we've approved funds for, are the test things. 

Mr. Showe: Correct. 

Mr. Moller: Right. That's what this, the testing site. 

Mr. Dale: Where are we going to put the test site? 

Mr. Carnesale: It is basically the education point. What's left in that is about $8,000. 

Mr. Moller: Wexford Drive, what community is that? 

Mr. Dale: Bennington? 

Mr. Rysztogi: I'm guessing, when you first go into Bennington, take a right and that culde-
sac, is the lake right there with the open sidewalk. That's the only lake I can think of that's 
accessible without going through somebody's yard. So, I'm assuming it might be that one. 

Mr. Moller: Got you. 

Mr. Colasinski: It's a great way to collect some data though. 

Mr. Showe: Yeah. 

Mr. Carnesale: The point though, is that the person who owns that property, has given us 
permission. All we have to do is get it in writing okay to cross their property. 
Mr. Dale: Okay. 
Mr. Rysztogi: I think some of that though by the sidewalk might be common for the 

villages, I think. 

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Mr. Carnesale: Yeah, but I'm just talking about you're worried about getting into the 
backyard. All we have to do is get it in writing. 
Mr. Dale: Well, we own a to-foot slot around each lake. I love the idea. Is that within 
your discretionary authority? Do we need amotion? 

Mr. Showe: No. 

Mr. Moller: I think that the money has already been allocated for it. 

Mr. Showe: As long as there's no opposition from the Board. 

Mr. Dale: I have zero opposition to that. I'm enthused about it. 

Mr. Colasinski: It's less than $10,000. 

Mr. Moller: It's $2,000 for the test, I guess. 

Mr. Dale: Alright. I'm going to segue this into a question that I got a week or two ago that 
I wrote down. I think I know the answer, but I just wanted to ask this one. Apparently around, at 
least at the golf course area, there's roughly a foot swath around each lake that we haven't been 
cutting back or maintaining. 

Mr. Moller: We trim periodically because it's a buffer zone. 

Mr. Dale: That's pretty much what I said. I said I believe that's a buffer zone. Then I 
started talking about nitrogen filtering. 
Mr. Moller: It's to prevent runoff from the golf course. 
Mr. Dale: I just wanted to make sure I was saying the right thing to the residents. Okay, 
good. Thank you. 

Mr. Moller: Sometimes it will get away from us due to weather. Actually, Wes is going 
around and knocking them down right now. 
Mr. Dale: Right. 
Mr. Moller: But we try to do it three times a year. 
Mr. Dale: Okay. Good deal. 
Mr. Moller: Regarding golf course maintenance, we have our ball picker going out next 

month to get ready for the season. Everything else is gearing up for that. As of yesterday, golf 
was sitting at $88,000 and projected at $115,000. Last year we did $124,000 and we're budgeted 
for $93,000. The first week killed us with the rain. I think that first week we had about $8,000 in 
round revenue. Compared to the last couple of weeks, we've been averaging around $25,000. I 
think we'll still finish out this month pretty strong. The same thing with Food and Beverage, 

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we're sitting at $42,500 as of the 25th and are projecting about $52,500. Last year, we were at 
$38,500. So, they're doing pretty well. 

Mr. Dale: I do want to emphasize. Once again, we had the bad luck of the draw. Last 
year, in October and November, we were remodeling and had a couple of rough months to start 
the year out with, which cost us a good chunk of money. This year we had two weeks of rain, 
basically, which effectively shut you down for two weeks and then the restaurant even had to 
close. 

Mr. Colasinski: In January, was when we actually did the hood replacement, too. So, that 
was another significant dent. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Moller: Regarding the restaurant, the oven was delivered from US foods. Jamie is 
just coordinating with Pierce Restaurant Equipment to do the install. So, he is trying to get them 
and the Ansel system coordinated for the same day. So. we can just do a quick swap out. Worst 
case scenario, we'll have a cold service lunch while theyIredoing it and we should be open for 
dinner. 

Mr. Dale: Nice . 

Mr. Moller: Pete has all the aluminum done over the back area, the 12-foot shade. 

Mr. Dale: It looks exceptional. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. All the refrigerators back there are locked and performing very well 
with the sun protection. 
Mr. Dale: Well, it also has the canopy, not just the aluminum. 
Mr. Moller: Yeah, the canopy as well. I did order and we put the beer fridge inside of the 

restaurant for grab and goes. That seems to be working well. Last night, Jen got to demo our 
locking rolling liquor cage for the outside bar. I purchased a liquor cage that they can lock up so 
they can basically keep all of their supply stocks for the outside bar, so they can just roll it out 
and stock the bar. When they break the bar down, they can fill up the cage, bring it inside, lock it 
up, secure it. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, then what is the plan for opening up the bar outside? 

Mr. Moller: Right now, we're thinking about just like Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. 

Mr. Colasinski: No. What calendar day are we going to start opening that up? 

Mr. Moller: We don't have one as far as a calendar day. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Well, why not? That's what a plan is about. We asked for a plan and plan 
is you talk about the tools, the infrastructure you need and then a date. 

Mr. Moller: Okay. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, I mean, we've talked about this. When is it going to happen? 

Mr. Moller: I'll get with Jen. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright, well, this has been going around since early September. 

Mr. Moller: We really don't have the volume of customers to support having it open right 
now. 

Mr. Colasinski: And that's okay. Just come up with a date, because our marketing person 
needs to start getting that information out there as well in advance so that people will know and 
then it's by chance. We want to let people know so they'll show up. So that's why the date is so 
that we can start marketing it. 

Mr. Dale: I know this sounds kind of obvious, but by calendar date do you mean 
September IS? 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, like November 25th• Something that says, "Welcome to our grand 
opening of the outdoor bar" and offer some specials or something like that, because we have to 
get the information out ahead of time before we do it because otherwise... 

Mr. Dale: I understand. 

Mr. Carnesale: Mention that it will be on Thursday, Friday, Saturday. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, that's all part of that. 

Mr. Dale: That's why I was getting that. Are we talking about committing to Thursday, 
Friday, Saturday? 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, that's part of your plan? That date is necessary to provide the lead 
time for the advertising and marketing of that, so we can actually get the momentum. 

Mr. Carnesale: We're going round robin, if we're waiting for the people to come before 
we bring it out. 

Mr. Showe: Correct. 

Mr. Colasinski: The other thing, too, is that a date tends to force things to happen as well, 
because we will all just dance around it, but it also forces us to think through everything, too. For 
instance, I know there was a hostess stand that we needed out there. There's this place for storing 
utensils and also plates and glasses and things out there, too. There's a thing for washing our 

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hands. Those are a number of things that need to be in this plan and some of those have a lead 
time with them. This is why looking at a date and then looking at all these things and when can 
we get them when can we get them in place? Will they be functional? Where are we going to put 
it? All those things? It just takes time. So, this is why a date is important. Otherwise, it will just 
float endlessly. 

Mr. Moller: I get it. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

Mr. Moller: Actually, I do have the leasing docs for the cart fleet and for the ball picker, 

I

guess, for us three. I just grabbed a copy of what we did for the six-seater, as far as who needs to 
sign where, because we had some issues with the sign in the wrong spot, wrong person signing it. 
So, I got those for tonight. 

Mr. Showe: Those have already been approved by the Board. 

Mr. Moller: Right. 

Mr. Showe: We're getting ready to get the equipment. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. The ball checker should be here in December and the cart fleet in 
November. 
Mr. Colasinski: Merry Christmas. 
Mr. Moller: That's right. I did hire a new Head Golf Pro, Mr. David Owen. He actually 

lives in Rockledge, currently. He was the Assistant Pro and Tournament Director at Lake Nona. 
He starts on November 6th 
• 

Mr. Colasinski: How much are we going to be paying this person? 

Mr. Moller: Do I want to say it on public record? 

Mr. Colasinski: It's going to be public record anyway. 

Mr. Moller: $65,000. 

Mr. Colasinski: What do we expect to get for 50% more in salary, more than 50%? 

Mr. Moller: A golf professional. Someone that knows how to run a golf shop. We paid 
$65,000 for a Food and Beverage Manager and $80,000 for a Golf Course Superintendent. 
Mr. Colasinski: Fiscally, we exceeded all our budgeted amounts last year for the golf 
course. 
Ms. De Vries: So, does this fit in our salary budget? 

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Mr. Moller: It will increase the lessons, increase merchandise, increase just overall 
revenue I see bringing in. 

Mr. Colasinski: By how much? 

Mr. Moller: I can't put a dollar amount on it. 

Mr. Colasinski: We have more than a 50% increase in salary for the person. We should 
have some expected return on investment with them. 

Mr. Moller: From my interactions with him, increased professionalism. I think he's going 
to bring a lot more to our golf operations. 

Mr. Colasinski: What demonstrated improvements in profit has he been able to provide in 
his previous experiences? 

Mr. Moller: Increased golf lessons, ladies groups, ladies outings. He's a Tournament 
Director. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, what happens with Mr. Mike Hogan then? 

Ms. DeVries: Have we renegotiated Mr. Mike Hogan's contract? 

Mr. Moller: Yeah, we re-negotiated with Mr. Mike Hogan and increased him by about 
20% from what he was receiving before. 
Mr. Colasinski: Alright. 
Mr. Dale: Let's back up. Mike, as I understand it, we were making roughly $2,000 a year 
from. What are we going to be making going forward? 

Mr. Moller: Well, he was at $175 a month and now he's at $210 a month. 

Mr. Dale: Alright. 

Ms. DeVries: For one tee? 

Mr. Moller: For one portion of the tee on the side. 

Mr. Dale: I know in discussion, all of this is public record anyway, so I'm just going to 
throw this stuff out. What I was kind of hoping to do with Mike was to throw some incentives his 
way. I know what he's pulling in from the discussions I've had in various places. He's pulling in 
at least $50,000 to $60,000, right? 

Mr. Moller: I have no idea. 
Mr. Dale: So, that's my understanding. My feeling has always been, because we give him 
a huge chunk there. I'm always of the mind that I don't think 10% is a lot to ask. I also felt that 

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we were going to add considerably to what we could offer him through the way of marketing and 
things like that. 

Ms. DeVries: So, he would get more lessons through us. 

Mr. Dale: I'm kind of feeling like we sold ourselves short, not that I want a nickel and 
dime on stuff like that. I know it's not a huge chunk. I'm not picking on you, because I know you 
were after a lot of this stuff, Jim. This was kind of like a core issue as to why there was a change 
in Board three years ago, because a lot of free rounds were being given away and employees 
were getting a lot of free rounds. We had PGA pros that were giving the store away. We were 
underselling ourselves. We weren't charging enough for rounds. We've had discussions. You've 
done a great job with putting together the season pass packets and all of that kind of stuff and 
doing away with them as we need it. I guess where I'm going with the Mike thing is we've 
always kind of had a mindset of selling ourselves short. Is the Mike thing going to make or break 
us? No. You're talking about a few thousand dollars, but it's again about a mindset thing. I was 
actually kind of hoping for not just a little bit more, 10% of what he's making, but also maybe to 
offer to him, "Hey, we've got a marketer that we can set loose, and maybe we can put together 
some grand package where we turn our golf lessons and our marketing our golf school into 
something big." Is the Mr. Mike Hogan thing etched in stone until next year? 

Mr. Moller: We could probably do addendum I would think. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. I don't know how those contracts are done. So, I would throw that out 
there as a topic of discussion. The other thing that I was going to ask along the lines of what you 
were answering with Steve, I know when we had our previous pro, one of the incentives that we 
had offered was ifhe would offer lessons and keep half the lesson fee. Then of course, we would 
get the other half, because that wasn't something we were doing. It sounds like we've given our 
pro salary, so he would be doing lessons. I'm assuming we would keep all of the lesson money. 

Mr. Moller: It's 50%. Actually, all of the research I did with the PGA when I started this, 
70%/30% is about the average split, where the pro gets 70% of the lessons and the club gets 
30%. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Moller: So, for us, being at 50%150% was tremendously low. 

Mr. Dale: Well, but we also didn't have a PGA pro. 

Ms. DeVries: But then is the salary lower? Usually, the salary is lower. 

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Mr. Moller: The salary of the Golf Pro was $60,000 to $70,000, a 70%/30% split, with 
the full package being around $80,000. 

Mr. Colasinski: Getting back to my original question, we have somebody who's more 
professional. How does that correlate into improvements in revenue? We had $4,000 for the 
lessons last year, which was a 50% improvement over the year before, because we had, like 
$3,000. How is that going to correlate, into improved profit, because we're paying a lot more 
money now for someone? We're paying 60% more. I'm not as concerned about revenue as I am 
about profit, because profit is what drives keeping the golf course open. 

Mr. Moller: I totally agree. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, that's why I'm asking. 

Mr. Moller: Right. I'm hoping to recuperate at least $30,000 to $40,000 just in pro shop 
merchandise that we lost last year. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. Alright. And what else? 
Mr. Moller: Increased lessons, increased personability, bringing in tournaments. 
Mr. Colasinski: We had people who were personable before, but we didn't make any 

money. We had people who were professional before, but we didn't make any money. That's my 
overall underlying concern with this whole thing, knowing that what can this person do to 
improve the profitability of our operation so we can continue to keep the golf course open? That 
is what I'm trying to understand. 

Mr. Moller: I don't know exactly what answer you're looking for. 
Mr. Colasinski: Is there any demonstrated numbers from before in his career, regarding 
improving profitability at the places he's worked? 
Mr. Moller: I did not ask those questions to his current boss. I just asked about his work 
ethic, his personality, etc. 
Mr. Colasinski: But that's the fundamental value this Board has for the golf course, which 
is to make a profit. That's fundamental. 

Mr. Moller: Right. Like I said, I think just in him keeping track of our inventory in the 
pro shop, he can make up for salary overages, just in that without any extra lessons or clinics or 
anything like that. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. So, this coming year, we're going to take a very close look at that 
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have to continue to feed profits and saving those for capital improvements, because that's where 
the entire District fell down for decades. It was just going to the bonds and we don't have access 
to bonds anymore. There's a defmite need to keep the golf course functional for the community, 
notjust VieraEast, but this entirearea. I read a study inGolfDigest ofthetop 60golf courses in 
Florida. Only 12 had public access. There are a lot of golf courses in Florida, but they're not all 
public access. Look at all the people moving into Brevard. Nobody is building new golf courses. 
We need that, not just for Viera East, but for the entire community. So, this is an essential 
component. I want to make sure that we're continuing to feed the profits and saving the profits so 
we can do capital improvements, because we fell down with previous Boards before and it's very 
strong fundamental for this Board right now. So, that's the only reason that I'm asking about it. 

Mr. Moller: I get it. 

Mr. Dale: I would like to add to that, with a possible solution, but it does come into play 
with the Mike Hogan contract. The reason why I focus on that, is the summer school that he 
runs, that we haven't been capable of running because we didn't have a PGA pro, but now we 
do. That's $20,000 to $30,000, just for summer school. We've also had discussions. You and I 
think you mentioned that you had talked to Steve about this and other Board Members, but also 
maybe potentially doing something like that during the Christmas break. So, that's maybe 
another $10,000. 

Mr. Colasinski: Thanksgiving break, Christmas break, anytime there's a break in school 
and parents are looking for opportunities for their children, that's a great time to harness that. 

Mr. Dale: This was huge issue that I saw on social media recently, that we weren't able to 
jump at because we didn't fit the situation. But somebody was looking for golf lessons for their 
child and then there were a number of people piling onto that. I guess where I'm going with this 
is, I know that Mike is personable and he has people that like them and use them and everything. 
He has a big old Mike Hogan sign out there and he gets billing on our website and on social 
media and everything, but all we get for it is a couple of thousand dollars a year. That just doesn't 
seem to be a super business decision, where he's deriving a lot more benefit from us than we 
derive from him. I'm not picking at Mike. It sounds like Mike is very personal and does a good 
job. Actually, if I were Mike, I'd be doing exactly what he's doing. I get why he's doing what he's 
doing. All I'm saying is that we should take that into consideration, perhaps in going back to talk 
to Mike with our new pro, we work something out where the course gets a bigger chunk of the 

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summer season for schooling. Perhaps we start up a winter school or something like that. Maybe 
there are other opportunities. I want you to get the marketer involved, too, when she gets here, so 
we can get some ideas from that perspective. Everything is negotiable, is the point that I'm trying 
to make. We don't have to get more rent money from Mike, but if Mike is willing to give up a 
slice of the tape from summer school, well, hey, maybe we can put together a whiz bang summer 
school. I'm good with that. I don't know where the rest of the Board is at with that. I mean, I'm 
just trying to throw ideas out there. 

Ms. DeVries: On how we can make up that gap. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. 

Ms. DeVries: My concern is that there's a budget for salaries and the budget for salaries 
was based on the old salary, not the new salary. By the way, I appreciate that you did all of the 
research and looked at what is the norm and everything, but now we have a 50% increase in this 
salary. Does that fit in the budget that we approved? 

Mr. Moller: No. 

Ms. DeVries: So, if anything doesn't fit in the budget that we approved, then it's not 
approved. Right? 
Mr. Moller: Yes. 
Ms. DeVries: So, we're kind of in a predicament here where we've hired somebody and 

we don't have approval for the amount of money that we're paying them. So, I don't know what 
to say with that, because if the salary exceeds what the budget is, we have to figure out where 
that's going to come from. What Steve is saying is we're going to have a plan for profit, but I'm 
going, "Well, wait a minute. " 

Mr. Colasinski: The thing is, if you need that kind of money, you have to talk with the 
Board first so we understand what we need to move around to accommodate it. 

Mr. Moller: Okay. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's what should typically happen. If you have something that's out of 
budget, you come and you talk and say, "Okay, this is it. This is what I need." And then we as a 
Board discuss what we want to move around to be able to accommodate that. Because right now, 
we don't have any options. 

Ms. DeVries: My second concern is really relevant to Mr. Mike Hogan. Just to be clear, I 
don't know Mike and don't have any interest in Mike's business. I've never even talked to the 

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man, but he has been at the Viera East golf course for a really, really long time. He is well liked. 
My understanding is he's well-liked by the course. I could see where Mike or some of his 
colleagues could see this as cutting into his business as we now have our own pro, offering 
lessons. I was hoping when we contracted with Mike, that we could figure out a way to work 
with him to market his services, take a cut and utilize his services and then figure out where we 
have gaps and then maybe find the personnel to fill those gaps. That's my thinking. 

Mr. Moller: From the lesson side. 

Ms. DeVries: Whatever. From where you need a pro, where does Mike fill in that? Do we 
pay him? Does he give us a cut? Then where do we still have gaps that we need to fill for the gap 
that Mike doesn't fill? Because we have him. He's been a fixture for a long time. I guess we don't 
have him, but we have a contract with him. So that's my two cents. 

Mr. Dale: It sounds like we have negotiating room on the contract. 

Mr. Showe: You always have negotiating room. The contract has termination clauses in 
it, ultimately and if the Board chooses to terminate, we can certainly terminate. But you've got 
room to negotiate and make an addendum or change the contract or however the Board would 
like. 

Mr. Dale: And I'm a big believer you get a lot further with honey than you do with a 
stick. So, that would be the way that I would encourage the negotiation to go. Marketer, do you 
think you'd be able to market Mike Hogan's Golf Academy. 

Ms. Webb: I have before. 

Mr. Dale: Would you be able to significantly increase his business? 

Ms. Webb: Probably. Was there some social media activity about people looking for golf 
lessons within the past week on Facebook? 

Ms. Webb: Well, I've had people request them especially for Spring Break. I know Mike 
doesn't offer them for Spring Break, but we said we'll look into what we can offer. 

Mr. Dale: That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of opportunity here that I think might 
resolve a lot of what we're talking about here. 

Ms.DeVries: I see Mike as apartner. not just arenter. 

Mr. Dale: Bingo. Thank you. I prefer to have more of a partner relationship. 

Ms. DeVries: I want a partnership with Mike. 

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Mr. Dale: Than just getting a couple of measly thousand dollars a year. I think. there's an 
opportunity here that we're missing, is what I'm really trying to get across. So, does anybody else 
want to add anything on that topic? 

Mr. Colasinski: On that topic? No. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. 

Mr. Moller: That was it. 

Mr. Colasinski: Question on the restaurant. In moving to the new restaurant structure, one 
of the things that was missing was having a manager on duty. Okay? Who was our manager on 
duty last Saturday night? 

Mr. Moller: I'd have to look at the schedule for last Saturday. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, okay . That's a problem because we had a number of issues that 
cropped up. First of all, we had two servers that were new, Jill and Maddie, who just joined. I 
don't even know ifJill's 21 or not. They were the only people that were going to be working after 

7:00 p.m. that night. We need strong management there in case issues come up. People really 
didn't start showing up till 7:00 p.m. on Saturday night. Nicole stayed on a little bit later, but 
she's 21 or 22 now. Also, she's not much more seasoned. There were a number of things that 
were left unattended, for instance, we have mats that we put out in the dishwasher area. At 9:30 
a.m., I went by there in the morning and the mats were hanging over the wall. At night, when I 
went by, the mats were still hanging over the wall. Nobody put the mats down for the day at all. I 
walked back there because I wanted to see something was out in the back. The mats weren't 
there. The floor was slippery. We do that for the safety of the employees, but nobody put those 
down. Even on Sunday, I went in there for brunch and the mats were still on the wall. I asked Jen 
about it and she said, "Well, I'm not strong enough to take them down." Okay. That's a fact. So, 
that's a safety thing. The other thing is, out in the back, we have a storage shed where we keep all 
of the beer and then we have all of the food lockers. The storage shed for the beer was locked 
and none of the people that were working that night, had the key so we could not lock up the 
beer that night. We couldn't lock any of the food coolers, which we're required to do for the 
Health Department to lock up the food and the beer at night, also. We also have the lighting 
outside. At 7:15 p.m., it was dark and our lights still weren't on outside. So, I think it might 
behoove us that occasionally, one night a week, you go in there and just look and see what's 
going on. See what's happening in the operation. I shouldn't be the person explaining this to you. 
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Stop in one night a week and look and see how things are going. You don't have to stay all night. 
Just stop in and look and see what's going on. Like the lights not being on. That's a security issue 
for our guests who come in there. But I shouldn't have to be saying this, is the thing. So, I'm not 
trying to pick on Jim night. These are just things I have to do with regards to looking out for the 
overall good of the community and the safety of the employees. 

Mr. Moller: I get it. That's kind of where I entrusted my food and beverage manager and 
assistant food and beverage, to take care of it. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, I think the thing is, if she's not sure, then ask for help. I don't know 
that she knew there was other potential solutions for help. I don't know that, but that's a 
conversation to have, because the value that we have, is that we want somebody there who can 
address issues with customers with enough experience. We just didn't have that there on 
Saturday night. 

Mr. Moller: Okay. 

Mr. Colasinski: It's a safety issue for the employees working there, too, when cashing 
out. We just had two young girls working there that night and when it came time to close, if 
somebody wanted to come in and cause some trouble, unfortunately, that's what can happen. Just 
have the conversation, because what had happened was Jamie was out for a wedding on the West 
Coast. So, that left Jen and Saturday was her day off. 

Mr. Dale: She should have had Vicky scheduled. 

Mr. Colasinski: The thing is, have the conversation just to indicate the why. We can't 
have that. Then also the safety issues that we did see as a result of that. I'm sure there's a solution 
and I'm confident there will be a solution. But just understand that we do need somebody that's a 
value of the Board. We've stated that before. 

Ms. Webb: I was at the Sassy Saturday and Vicky was there. 

Mr. Moller: She wasn't there in the evening. That's kind of the point. 

Mr. Dale: I don't mean to pile on, but some of the stuff I want to emphasize, several of 
the things that we're talking about are facility issues that the restaurant people don't have control 
over. I think some of it we're just dealing with, because of the time change. This is part of where 
we need to have our maintenance guy get his schedule together. I started calling this, 'The roots 
meeting," to myself. The reason I'm calling it, "The roots meeting," is we're kind of coming 
back to some of the roots of why we were originally elected and we have different things going 

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on with the Supervisors tonight and we have new Board Members and a new Golf Course 
Manager. Some of the stuff that we're talking about tonight. nobody's ever heard before. So, 
that's why 11m thinking of calling it, "The roots meeting. " Let's reiterate some of the things that 
we did a long time ago. 

Mr. Colasinski: The values that we have. 

Mr. Dale: The values. Yes. But with that said, along the lines of lights, I do agree that we 
need to get them on sooner, but I would also request that the outside lights do not go off earlier 
than 12:00 a.m. for safety reasons. I think they go off at 11:00 a.m. now, but with the time 
change 

Mr. Colasinski: Are you talking about PM, Rob? So, you're saying midnight. 

Mr. Dale: Midnight. 

Mr. Colasinski: Because you just said 11:00 a.m. 

Mr. Dale: No, 12:00 a.m. Is what 11m asking for. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. That's midnight. 

Mr. Dale: Midnight. The reason why I say midnight, is sometimes when they're cleaning, 
it's a safety issue for our employees. If they're getting out of there at 11:45 p.m., I don't want 
them walking through a dark parking lot having to deal with that. So, yeah, the outside lights 
turning off at 12:00 a.m. is one of my requests. I'm going to kind of go rapid fire through some of 
this. The bug system. I could ask you this outside of the meeting, but I know we had it 
unplugged. 

Mr. Moller: There was nothing wrong with the bug system. What had happened was it 
was plugged into the same outlet as that Sonos® and I think that Sonos® system was outside. 
When we unplugged it, we just unplugged the whole cube and accidentally unplugged the bug 
system. The bug system is plugged back in again. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, I plugged it back in. Okay. But I just want to make sure there was 
nothing wrong and that everything was good. 

Mr. Moller: No. 

Mr. Dale: Okay, good. I do have a suggestion. We do have a lot of new managers. I know 
that Kyle he's been there a little while, but he's still been there for a year. Jenna is a new 
manager. Jamie is a new manager. Vicki is a new manager. Heck, even, I mean, you were a 
manager before, but you're in a different role. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Vicki is a new manager? 

Mr. Dale: She's an Assistant in front of the house for Jen. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. I did not know that. 

Mr. Dale: At least that's the way I understand that. 

Mr. Moller: I asked her to get someone, so if she's not there, to handle the front of the 
house operations she takes a day off. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Moller: The girls need someone to go to and she put her trust in Vicki. 

Mr. Dale: Right. What I see happen a lot of times over the past couple of years and this 
again, had nothing to do with you. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. 

Mr. Dale: We kind of throw employees to the walls, especially in the restaurant. We need 
to give some of the new managers some sort of management training. 
Mr. Colasinski: Basically, a skills assessment first and then based on that, determine 
areas for training. 

Mr. Dale: Areas for training. Yeah, and I don't know what this looks like. All I'm saying 
is I think there are customer service training things. Jen might be able to add to this because, gee, 
it's kind of what she does for a living expertise. 

Ms. DeVries: It's her area of expertise. 

Mr. Dale: At least some initial management training for our managers that focuses also 
on customer service. Then the other thing that I would suggest we do, is we come up with some 
form of a one-hour initial video for new employee hires. Perhaps Jen has one. Perhaps Michelle 
can put one together. 

Mr. Showe: The insurance company that we work with might have one. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, they might have one. It could show the key things in our handbook, a 
tutorial on the driving range here, what a hole looks like, what aeration is. Just a video for a new 
employee at the golf course and telling them that its mandatory to watch it, so at least they get 
some of the basics of how our operations work there. 

Ms. DeVries: Rob, you were talking about management training. 

Mr. Dale: Well, management training, but I'm also talking about one aspect. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's one aspect. There are other areas as well. 

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Mr. Dale: For new employee hires, all employees have to watch the one-hour video or 
whatever it is, 45 minutes. I don't care how long it is, but my point is something that familiarizes 
them with our operations, because we get restaurant hires in there and they have no idea what the 
heck is going on with the rest of the place. 

Ms. DeVries: When they get hired, they're still responsible. They get the Employee 
Handbook. They are still responsible for signing off that they've read it. Right, okay, so they 
have that. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, normally with employees, there is some sort of skills assessment 
based on their job description. It's not a knock against them as much as, what areas we need to 
work with them on development. Sadly, I've seen this with managers in other companies that are 
thrown into a position and they're never given any training. Then subsequently they're set up for 
failure and it's not fair to them. It's really disappointing because they're eager to get in there and 
make a difference, but no one's ever trained them on what to do, how to do it and what's 
expected. I think if we have some of the job descriptions, we can derive some form of skills 
assessment out there that these are the skills they need. Just simple questions that we can ask or 
ascertain what areas for training. We have a training budget, but this goes across the spectrum. 
We have the restaurant, the pro shop, the cart barn, our maintenance teams, all of that. Those are 
things that we should probably consider training our people in areas. We want to make them 
better employees and we don't want to throw them into situations where they're going to fail. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. I kind of felt that was happening in the restaurant before we were 
throwing spaghetti against the wall. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. 

Mr. Dale: I just want the issue to be resolved. I don't want to cast blame. 

Mr. Colasinski: This is an improvement. This is not a point the finger thing. We're just 
trying to say, "I think we could improve in this area." What we have right now is good 
functionally, but we could probably make things better if we take a second look and do some 
improvements. We've got some new people working in the pro shop. I doubt that any of them 
have had significant customer relationship type experiences. Maybe we could give them some 
training. I know that one of them that has been around a long time is kind of grumpy. Just so they 
at least have an awareness of the skills and the presentation to customers on what they represent. 
There are trainings available and, in some cases, there might be computer-based training for 

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computer skills also and we need people to get better with computer skills. You seem to have a 
pretty good background in that, but I wouldn't expect you to train people. If we want people to 
do work in Excel spreadsheets, PowerPoints, we can get them training for stuff like that too. In 
many cases you might need something from them in one of those type of formats, so that you can 
give a report to us and you need them to work on something, but if they don't know how to do it, 
they can't help you in that regard. So, maybe we need to just get them some training for 
something like that too. 

Ms. DeVries: I can help you look for online courses and stuff like that. 

Mr. Dale: That's a good point, because I know a lot of times in meetings, we talk about 
things and then we don't put an end date or an objective date or whatever. Are you keeping notes 
on the things that we're talking about? 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. That's usually the problem. W come up with these ideas and then we 
get back to the daily grind. 

Mr. Dale: Right. We're not going to resolve a lot of this tonight, but what I'm going to 
ask, is sometime within the next week, you could put together an email. I want you to think 
about a lot of these different things and say, "By this date. " I know Steve was looking for an 
opening date. 

Mr. Colasinski: I think this is going to take longer than a week to actually think through. 

Mr. Dale: I'm just talking about developing a when we can implement something by. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, you first have to say what it is. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Colasinski: You need the skills assessment first before you can identify the type of 
training, which is the conversation needs to happen with Jen first. That's not going to happen in a 
week. 
Mr. Dale: Right. On that specific issue. However, issues like fixing the lights and that 
kind of thing, we can, but I'm talking all of the issues that we're discussing. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, what issue are you talking about? Training or issues in general? 

Mr. Dale: Issues in general. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

Mr. Dale: That we are discussing right now. I hate to say it, but I have about nine other 
issues here that I want to add to the mix. Hopefully they go a little quicker. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Is anybody here getting paid by the hour? 

Mr. Dale: Let's put together a summary email. 

Ms. DeVries: Just for the record, no. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. There you go. 

Mr. Dale: Put a timetable on it, so a lot of this stuff doesn't slip through the cracks, is 
where I'm going. 
Mr. Moller: So, what I'll do, is where Jason has action items ... 
Mr. Showe: I can send you one. Mine has a format, 
Mr. Moller: So, next Friday, I'll just send an email tohimsaying••This is afollow up on 

the action items." 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Because some of the stuff, especially like the 
training issue, I don't want that stuff to slip through the cracks. But Steve is right. I don't expect 
that to be resolved in a week. That's going to require discussions with probably Jen. 

Mr. Colasinski: We're looking at job descriptions, talking with your people. 

Mr. Dale: We've got to talk with Clive. 

Mr. Colasinski: Jim, that's the entire staff, the people who work over in the maintenance 
facility as well as, golf course maintenance, Ed's team, everybody. Some of the guys in Ed's team 
could use some training on potential pieces of equipment too. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

• Organizational Matters (Item 9) 
A. Acceptance of Resignation of Peter Carnesale 
Mr. Dale: What I am going to ask for now, we do have other things we need to continue 
on, but we're going to take a pause, though, on the golf course issues, because we have a 
significant development. We have a Supervisor that has been on this Board for three years. Prior 
to the three years that he was on this Board, he ran, promoting his ideas and making a 
fundamental difference, as we're going to see. Jason has a very excellent PowerPoint 
presentation that he's going to be sharing with us. Pete just shared with me that he has a family 
situation and he's got to leave. What I don't want to do is leave Pete unacknowledged before he 
leaves, because Pete has tendered his resignation to the Board. He will be moving out of State. 
While I am saddened that the CCD part of the CDD will not be on the Board any longer, I do feel 
that everything you've had to do, Pete, over the past, I'm going to call it four years, because that 

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year running was a tough year. It was just like being on the Board. You had to sell people on 
what your vision was for the community. 

Mr. Colasinski: It was actually longer than four years. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. It was a little longer than four years that you've been involved with this 
District. 

Mr. Colasinski: It goes back into July of 2019. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. So, aside from being your running mate, I consider you to be a friend. I 
appreciate highly, everything you have done for this District, whether it be for the issues of the 
littoral shelf or whether it's voting fiscally to improve the status of the District, which we are 
going to see in the PowerPoint that Jason's going to do, you've made a huge difference for this 
community and I appreciate it. I'm going to have something to add at the end of it, but what I 
want everybody else to do, ifthey would like to add anything to what I'm saying... 

Mr. Colasinski: I certainly would. I want to thank you wholeheartedly for stepping in and 
taking the initiative and also having the courage to put yourself in a place that potentially and 
was somewhat controversial, because you did a fundamental change of the values of the Board 
for this District. It's made a huge difference for value for the people in this District, too, making 
decisions for doing dog parks, playgrounds, those are totally new things that this District has 
never experienced before, making the right fiscal decisions for the golf course, so we can 
actually become profitable. There are many policy decisions that had to be made along the way 
that take courage to do and also experience the wrath of people who don't agree with you. But 
you had the courage to do that, in a time of high ambiguity and in a path that wasn't paved. So, I 
wholeheartedly thank you for that as well. I appreciate you knowing you and the courage that it 
took. Being an army veteran obviously gave you a solid foundation and courage, but we are very 
happy that you were able to leverage that here with us and change in a very positive way, this 
District and the value that we provide to the people within this District. So, thank you very much. 

Mr. Dale: Ron, would you like to add anything? 

Mr. Rysztogi: I'm also an army veteran. It made it easy for me when I came on the 
Board, I became friends with Pete right away. He's the kind of person that looks out for you, 
answers your questions, finds out what you need and we became friends right away. It's great 
that you've been helping me out for six months now, eight months, whatever it is. But you're 

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leaving though. That's the bad part. That's the bad news. I hate to see you go, but life does go on 
and I wish you good luck. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yes, the best of luck. 

Mr. Carnesale: Basically, I'm not leaving because I don't like the Board. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. 

Mr. Carnesale: I'm leaving because I'm moving and when I move, I will be out of CDD, 
therefore not eligible to be on the Board. Alright. And being a part of government, which we are, 
there's no way that I'm going to break one of the rules of government and try to stay on when I 
am no longer eligible for it. I'm not going to try and keep it secret that I'm moving and stay on 
the Board. Alright. I like what I'm doing. live gone to a lot of places within the District. Okay. I 
know I've been seen a lot around the District. Probably the place that I've not been seen a lot is 
probably at our tavern. However, I've been there, but we usually go lunchtime as opposed to 
nighttime. So, although I haven't been seen a lot there, it's because of the timeline, not because I 
haven't been there. Basically, I get a chance to see what's going on during the day. 

Ms. DeVries: Pete, I just want to say, I go back to the 2019 timeframe with you guys too. 
Even though I was recently elected with Ron, I appreciate all of the work that we did back then 
to basically set the goals and set the policy, what it is, what we were trying to do and be able to 
articulate that. I appreciate me. You always had a smile on your face. You were always friendly. 
So, we appreciate everything that you have done for this Board and for this community. 

Mr. Carnesale: Try to get elected without having a smile on your face. 

Ms . DeVries: I know, right? Well, I'm glad we got elected. 

Mr. Dale: I think we'll replay some of your videos from the campaign for your exit on 
social media. Would anybody else like to add anything? 

Mr. Showe: From my end, it's been great working with you, Pete. Obviously, you jumped 
in kind of headfirst on a lot of different projects and became involved with a lot of different 
residents out here. I know that it's been greatly appreciated from both residents and the Board 
and from staff. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. From the staff., thank you. 
Mr. Showe: I have to give you the typical paperwork that you have to fill out and go to 
the Supervisor of Elections. 
Mr. Colasinski: Let no government deed go unpunished. 

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Mr. Dale: Right. Pete, could you do me a favor and join right over here, front and center? 
Normally in the army. When something like this happens, the next thing that you hear is 
attention to orders, but there are no orders. What we do have for you, we did want to say thank 
you for everything you've done over the past several years. (Applause). I would, for the record, 
like to read what it says. "Pete Carnesale, Viera East CDD Supervisor, Seat 3,2020 -2023. In 
appreciation for your dedication and selfless service to the Viera East CDD, Brevard County, 
the State ofFlorida and our great country, thank you for your leadership. " (Applause). 

Mr. Dale: I told you we had a lot to cover in this meeting. 

Mr. Carnesale: Thank you very much! 

Mr. Colasinski: It was a pleasure having you with us for so long. 

Mr. Dale: Now we got to get into a little bit of bookkeeping. We got to do this at some 
point during the evening, so we might as well do this now. We have a lot to cover tonight. 
Mr. Showe: The first item would be obviously Pete has submitted a resignation, so we 
would need the Board to make a motion to accept that. 
Mr. Dale: With regret, but we understand, family first, 

On MOTION by Mr. Colasinski seconded by Ms. DeVries: with 
all in favor the resignation of Mr. Peter Carnesale was accepted. 

B. 
Appointment of Individual to Fulfill the Board Vacancy with Term 
Ending November 2024 
Mr. Dale: With that said, I did have a little bit of a heads up with Pete's resignation. So 
therefore, I put a little thought into and this is just me speaking, but I know that this Board needs 
a good, qualified, quality candidate that would be willing to serve, which is a huge component of 
this and that is qualified and would be a good addition for the community. And in my opinion, 
we do have such a person. We are fortunate that I was able to convince him to show up at the 
meeting this evening. We have a person that is a former president of the Viera East Community 
Association (VECA) that is very familiar with the community and currently serves on VECA. 
I've already done my due diligence to fmd out whether or not you are able to serve concurrently 
with the master HOA and the CDn and you are. There is nothing that is an impediment to that. 
Mr. Showe: Absolutely. The only thing you would have to look at is if you're at a 
Homeowners Association (HOA) meeting and there's another member of this Board there, if a 

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CDD item comes up, one of you should leave the room, just to be clear. But other than that, that's 
really the only conflict. 

Mr. Colasinski: Good. I don't have to go to VECA meetings now. 

Mr. Dale: The only time I generally go to them is to vote for ROA officers, which isn't a 
conflict. 
Mr. Showe: No, as long as they're not talking about. CDD issues. 
Mr. Dale: Thank you, Pete. I am going to make an exception to my rule of doing motions. 

I believe that Mr. Bill Macheras is very qualified. 

Mr. Colasinski: You don't have to make that exception. 

Mr. Dale: Well, I don't. I just know that I'm kind of throwing this at you guys. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, what is the topic you're entertaining? 

Mr. Dale: I would like to promote Bill as our appointee. 

Mr. Showe: Appoint. 

Mr. Dale: I can't appoint. I'm promoting him to the Board. 

Mr. Showe: You're making a motion to appoint. 

Mr. Dale: Yes, I'm promoting him to the Board. I would like somebody to make the 
motion to accept Bill as an appointed member of this Board, to fulfill the remainder of Pete's 
term and if he so chooses to run next year, then of course he could. 

Mr. Colasinski: One step at a time. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. We'll work on him. 

Ms. DeVries: We need to appoint a new Board member. 

Mr. Colasinski: I will make that motion to appoint Bill to the position where Pete has 
resigned and to serve with us on the Board of the CDD. I would also endorse him as well as 
someone who understands the community, the interests of the community, budgets within the 
community and dealing with many community issues. 

Mr. Colasinski MOVED to appoint Mr. Bill Macheras to fill Seat 3 
with a term ending November 2024 and Ms. DeVries seconded the 
motion. 

Mr. Dale. Is there any further discussion? The only thing that I would like to add to all of 
this is that Bill is a resident of The Villages of Viera East, and one of the things I know has been 

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a priority for this Board is to have representation from different parts of the community as best 
possible and we accomplished that also. That's another arrow in the quiver for Bill that we get, 
which I think is exceptional. 

Ms. DeVries: Thank: you for bringing that up, because we do like to have the five Board 
members all representing different communities, ifpossible. 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor the appointment of Mr. Bill 
Macheras to fill Seat 3 with a term ending November 2024 was 
approved. 

Mr. Dale: Bill, get up to the front of the room. 

c. Administration of Oath of Office to Newly Appointed Supervisor 
Mr. Showe, a Notary of the State of Florida and duly authorized, administered the Oath 
ofOffice to Mr. Macheras. 

Mr. Showe: Just print your name here and then sign it and I'll notarize it for you. I'll catch 
up with you after the meeting as I have a package to go through with you. Next is an information 
sheet. This is essentially how we contact you, your name, home address, phone and an email will 
be fme. We also provided an 1-9, in order to receive $200 per meeting. The 1-9 and W-4s go to 
Inez, right? 

Mr. Moller: Yes. 

Mr. Showe: You'll turn these into Inez who is in the golf course office. She will make 
sure that you get paid for those meetings. I'll stick around after to go through it all with you, 
including the Sunshine Amendment. I'll give you my business card. Form 1 is required to be 
turned in to the Supervisor of Elections. We recommend that you do that. Finally, the most 
important is the Guide to the Sunshine Amendment and Code of Ethics. As a Board Member, 
you are not permitted to discuss with other Board Members, things that might reasonably come 
before a vote of this Board outside of a publicly advertised meeting. That includes emails, phone 
calls, texts, any form of communication including social media. Be careful what you post on 
social media. Also, you are not required to keep any records. As District Manager, I retain them. 
That way, if there is a public records request, your personal files aren't intermingled. So, ifyou 
set up an emailv it's just for the CDD. H you have any questions, please let me know. The only 

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other thing is that if there is an item that would come.up that you think you have a conflict, there 
is a specific form that you need to fill out if you abstain on a vote. You are officially on the 
Board now. Welcome to the Board. Alright, we have a sworn in Board Member. 

Mr. Dale: Awesome. 

D. Consideration of Resolution 2024-01 Electing Assistant Secretary 
Mr. Showe: We prepared Resolution 2024-01, which would appoint Mr. Macheras as an 
Assistant Secretary. You can appoint somebody as Vice Chair as well. 
Ms. DeVries: I'm Vice Chair. 
Mr. Showe: Oh, that's right. The only switch that we need to make is we need to make is 
for the Board to approve a resolution to appoint Mr. Macheras as Assistant Secretary, which 
would be Resolution 2024-01. 

Ms. DeVries MOVED to elect Mr. Bill Macheras as Assistant 
Secretary as evidenced by Resolution 2024-01 and Mr. Rysztogi 
seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, 

Mr. Showe: This is just for purposes if there's a signature is needed, just like all the other 
Board Members who aren't Chair or Vice Chair. 

Mr. Dale: Got it. 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor electing Mr. Bill Macheras as 
Assistant Secretary as evidenced by Resolution 2024-01 was 
approved. 

• General Manager's Report (Con 't) 
Mr. Dale: Alright, thank you. We're going to go back to our agenda. Welre still under the 
General Manager's Report. I have got three issues that basically all revolve around one issue, 
which is the driving range and people stealing our balls and our buckets. I've seen people coming 
onto the back end of the range. I've heard people talk about people coming on the back end of the 
range, not just in regard to retrieving their ball, but I believe they were scooping up range balls, 
which obviously would be an insurance liability issue. So, I think it all kind of revolves around 

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one central issue, which is balls and buckets should not leave the range. I see people taking off 
with their buckets. From what I'm able to gather from talking to people, I think we have a whole 
lot less range balls than what we had a year ago when we redid everything or roughly a year ago. 

Mr. Moller: I need to order new range balls. 

Ms. DeVries: We would like to know what that is costing us? 

Mr. Dale: This is costing the District money. 

Mr. Colasinski: On Sunday, when I went to get range balls, I put my token on there and 
got no range balls. The root cause was because the machine was empty, but when they filled up 
the machine, it was only about 40% full. We used to have a completely full machine. 

Mr. Dale: Wow. 

Mr. Colasinski: That is a lot of range balls missing. We've got to get to the root cause on 
this. We have to have some elements of enforcement, if it means just putting signs on the range 
that say, "Balls and Baskets Do Not Leave This Range. " 

Mr. Dale: Well, I do think Mr. Dave Bedwell was right, back when we had this problem 
with coolers. I agreed with him at the time that 80% of the people are honest, and they will do 
the right thing when they're asked not to do it. They will abide by the honor system. So therefore, 
I think a problem that would resolve 80% of this is signs immediately by the ball machine and 
out on the range. Let's say baskets and balls are property of the Viera East and do not leave the 
range. 

Ms. DeVries: Are the balls marked? 

Mr. Dale: They're yellow and have a black stripe on them. 

Ms. DeVries: Okay, so they are marked. 

Mr. Moller: They are not good golf balls. 

Mr. Machares: I just have two things. Are you seeing it just during the day? 

Mr. Dale: Oh, yeah. People are getting in their car with a bucket of balls. 

Ms. Webb: I saw a guy that walked out with all of the balls in a big bucket. 

Ms. DeVries: Wow. 

Ms. Webb: And I'm like, "Where are you going?" He's like, "Oh, I'm swinging 
horribly. " 

Mr. Dale: Well and the other thing that happens is residents that live at that end of the 
neighborhood, have the back end, which is why this back driving range has been such an issue. 

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They will go, they will use a third of their bucket and go out and hit back towards the range. But 
people are taking the balls home. 
Mr. Machares: My second part as far as the signage, should there be anything on there 
that says something simply as, "Could Result in a Loss ofPrivileges, " or is that too negative? 

Mr. Colasinski: I don't think that's unreasonable. 

Ms. DeVries: "May Result in Loss ofPrivileges." That's nicer than I would be, because I 
consider this theft. 
Mr. Colasinski: Itis theft. 
Ms. DeVries: I was going to say, "Can be prosecutedfor theft." 
Mr. Colasinski: Well, it can be prosecuted and play privileges suspended. 
Mr. Dale: Right. So, in the interest of keeping the meeting rolling along, what I would 

suggest we do on this, this was a big issue that had to be addressed. What I would suggest we do 
is, like we did with the other previous issues, Jim added this to his list. He's effectively heard the 
wishes of the Board, develop the game plan, signs at minimum, I would say, is a good first step. 

Ms. DeVries: Bright colored signs. 

Mr. Colasinski: Across the range. 

Mr. Dale: Across the range and at the bucket dispenser. 

Ms. DeVries: Right. Also, we have video surveillance. Right? 

Mr. Colasinski: Not on the range. 

Mr. Dale: They don't have to know that. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. 

Ms. DeVries: I thought there was one, going out to the parking lot. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. We have signs in the parking lot. We have signs on the egress to and 
from the golf course. 

Ms. DeVries: So, ifwe see them on video ... 

Mr. Moller: Ifsomeone is carrying a bucket out and I know when and where, I can figure 
out who that is. 

MS.DeVries: Yeah,exactly. 

Mr. Colasinski: I've seen people just go up and put the bucket on the cart. Ifthe starter is 
there and the starter waves them, they go right on the course with a bucket in the back of their 
cart. 

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Ms. DeVries: The starters can say, "No, you can't take these range balls offofthe range. 
You can It take them out on your golfcart with you. " 

Mr. Colasinski: I was stunned on how many balls we've lost in the last year. I just 
couldn't believe it. 

Mr. Moller: I'm not making an excuse, but I know it's not just an us problem. This 
happens at but every golf course. 

Mr. Colasinski: But we can at least take steps. 

Ms. DeVries: We'll put the little collar, like, on the dogs on the ball thing and if it goes 
outside the radius, it will go off. 

Mr. Dale: People are usually honorable. 

Ms. DeVries: Yeah. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. So that's another issue we're adding to the list. We've identified the 
problem. Now we're going to come up with a solution off meeting. 

Ms. DeVries: Okay. 

Mr. Dale: The next one, I'm calling this again, the roots meeting. The reason I'm bringing 
this up is I've heard from multiple people that have been at the course. I'm just going to leave it at 
that. I've heard about service golfer this and service golfer that service, because of the change 
recently in management that we've had at the restaurant. What I want to do or at least hear from 
the Board, is a reaffirmation of the fact that the Hook and Eagle Tavern is a community tavern 
first and foremost, that services golfers. The two aren't exclusionary. because we've had both 
ends of the pendulum that I don't like. In the past, we've had everything golfer at that restaurant 
and then at some points, we've had it where we went the other way, where golfers were kind of 
excluded. I don't like that. That's where I'm at. I'm one vote. Where I want it, I want it right in the 
middle. I want the pendulum hanging between the two. 

Mr. Colasinski: Everyone is welcome. 

Mr. Dale: Where everyone is welcome and everyone is serviced. 

Mr. Colasinski: Yes. 

Mr. Moller: We're a community restaurant that have 100 to 200 golfers passing our door 
every day. We're trying to capture that business. 
Mr. Dale: We're trying to capture the golf business. Also, what I want to point out for the 
minutes purposes, is 90% plus of our CDD is not a golfer and they are utilizing that facility, 

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especially at prolific rates in the evening, especially on burger nights and wing nights and 
karaoke night and now we're doing the music on the patio and we have all sorts of things going 
on. So, there's a whole lot going on where the entire community is being serviced through that 
restaurant. I want to make sure for the minutes, for the new people, for everybody, that we are 
very clear with our guidance, that that restaurant is there to service everybody. Where that's 
going to come into play, also I've heard that we did some changing of the hours and everything 
and I'm generally good with everything that was discussed. What I would like to do though also 
and there's a reason for this. It had nothing to do with anybody in this room. It has to do with a 
discussion with the County Attorney and it gets into other issues. But the gist of it is what I 
would like this Board to take a vote on. I'm not quite sure how to phrase this, so I'm going to 
need some help from the master here, but on Friday and Saturday nights, I want the flexibility. 
Right now, I think we said 10:00 p.m. on Fridays and 9:00 p.m. on Saturdays is where it's at right 
now. However, we're getting into peak season. We are going to be getting glow golf going again. 
We are doing music on the patio. We1ve got a lot of things going on, on Saturdays, that I can see 
taking us beyond 9:00 p.m. and we1ve got Friday where we've gotten a lot of comments where 
people would like it to maybe be till l l :00 p.m. 

Ms. Webb: Well, I can tell you that I'm having a harder time getting music on the patio. 
They either have to have it from 5:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m. 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. They either have 
to be gone by 8:00 p.m. to do another gig somewhere else, because then they're out of money if 
they don't. I do have to have some of those. I'm trying to say with people that do this from 5:00 

p.m. to 8:00 p.m. right now, but as we're getting busier, everybody was there till 9:00 p.m. last 
night. She just said, "That's fine, I'll give you an extra half an hour. So, she's very gracious with 
that. But not everybody does that. Then I have a couple that I've tried to book and they're like, 
"It has to be those 4 hours. " 
Mr. Dale: Right. So, where I'm going with this, is I would like a motion from the Board 
that at the discretion of the Restaurant Manager and the Marketer, based on events, we may have 
hours as late as 11:00 p.m. on Friday and Saturday nights. I'm not saying that we're going to do 
that all the time. 

Mr. Colasinski: What about the noise ordinance problem? 

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Mr. Dale: The noise ordinance is not a problem and that's part of the reason why we're 
taking the vote on this. It doesn't apply to us. We received notification from the County Attorney 
that it doesn't apply to us. 

Ms. Webb: The stuff that we're going to be doing, like we do karaoke on Friday night, we 
were packed in there. We're busy at 10:00 p.m. Jen was like, "What do we do? Can they go home 
and shut it down?" I'm like, "We can probably make a couple ofextra hundred dollars. " I made 
the decision that we stay open an extra hour. 

Ms. DeVries: You and Jen together. 

Ms. Webb: Me and Jen together. Right. I said to the karaoke people, "Ifyou guys want to 
stay, I'll pay the extra money on marketing" and he said, "Yes, let's do it." 
Mr. Colasinski: I was going to make a motion. 
Ms. DeVries: Oh, 1'm not ready for a motion. 
Mr. Colasinski: You're not? 
Ms. DeVries: No, I want to discuss it. So, I live relatively close to the restaurant and the 

Clubhouse and some nights I can hear the noise loud and clear. I can tell you what songs they are 
playing and I don't think I should be able to tell you what songs they are playing. I don't think it 
should be that loud. You're playing in a closed facility. I'm in a closed house. There's no window 
that I can open. 

Mr. Dale: You are talking predominantly, last night ... 

Ms. DeVries: I am not. In general, somewhat I can hear it. 

Mr. Dale: You heard it the other night. 

Ms. DeVries: Oh, yeah, I've heard it other nights. I can hear it other nights. 

Ms. Webb: Last night the band was outside. 

Ms. DeVries: Oh, that's why. 

Ms. Webb: They were on the patio. 

Mr. Dale: Beyond that, they didn't have any, for lack of being a musician, silencers on 
their music. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: I had this discussion with them. I will freely admit you are correct, last night it 
was loud. 

Ms. DeVries: It was loud. I actually texted Michelle. 

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Mr. Dale: However, with that being said, just because we would be open, does not mean 
that we're going to be playing loud rock music unti111:oo p.m. My point is, I don't believe music 
would ever go beyond 10:00 p.m. 

Ms. Webb: No. Most of the contracts are either 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m. 

Mr. Dale: Right, but when it's 10:00 P.m., then you have people that want to linger 
around and talk for another half hour. 
Ms. DeVries: That's fine . 
Mr. Dale: Then the server has to clean up afterwards. 
Ms. DeVries: I'm not worried about that. What I'm worried about is the noise level after 

9:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. 
Mr. Dale: Yes. 
Ms. Webb: The music on a patio has been very loud, but I only get one person. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. I haven't been here for one of those, so I don't know ifI could hear 
it. 

Ms. Webb: You can't really hear it. 

Mr. Dale: You can't hear it from the parking lot. I could hear it from the parking lot last 
night. It was loud. 
Ms. DeVries: I could hear it inside my closed house last night and I could tell you what 
song was playing. 

Mr. Dale: on, yeah, I heard them all. 

Ms. Webb: I said, "You guys are actually too loud." He said, "Oh, we can tone it down." 
I said, "You definitely have to be because it was really too loud. " 
Ms. DeVries: Yeah, it was. Okay. I just wanted to have that discussion because I think 

there's a difference between being open and being loud. 

Ms. Webb: Right. 

Ms. DeVries: I don't mind if we're open, but I do mind when we start to get past like 9:00 
p.m., I do mind if it's loud or maybe 10:00 p.m. For me it's maybe 10:00 p.m., but some people 
might feel more like 9:00 p.m. 

Ms. Webb: Right. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, I believe the noise ordinance goes to 10:00 p.m. Now, that is not 

something that is applicable to us, but those are the guidelines from the county. 

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Mr. Dale: Right. Jason, for the sake of everybody not taking my word for it, could you 
just share the noise ordinance? 

Mr. Showe: It does not apply to, obviously, businesses like ours. 

Mr. Dale: Actually, I can read it. It is from the County Attorney. It says, "The exception 
to the noise ordinance found in Chapter 46, Brevard County, Florida Code, would apply to the 
activities of the CDD." In other words, we're exempt from the noise ordinance, is what he's 
saying. It goes on to say, "As long as they are located on CDD property and approved by the 
CDD Board, " which is why we are having this discussion. 

Ms. Webb: We're not going to tum into a nightclub because the facility isn't meant for 
that. 

Ms. DeVries: Right. 

Ms. Webb: I have had comments from patrons that said, ''1 wish you guys were open a 
little longer because we're a tavern and we're the only tavern that closes at 8:00 p.m. or 9:00 p.m. 
I said, "Well, we are open until 10:00 p m," Then they said, "We just get started and then we 
have to leave" and I said, "Yeah, but we'll never be open past 11:00 p m., anyways." I have 
made that clear. 

Mr. Dale: Again, I'm not advocating doing this every night unless we're busy, in which 
case, yeah, we'll take their money. 
Ms. Webb: But I think that's some of the reason why we don't get people to come 
regularly. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, what are you asking now? I'm confused. What are you asking? 

Mr. Dale: Leave it at the discretion of the Restaurant Manager and the Marketing 
Manager. So, in other words, ifthey're putting on an event that is for Glow Golf or for music on 
the patio and it is in between meetings, they don't have the option to come back to the Board and 
say, "Can we schedule this event? " 

Mr. Colasinski: So, are you looking for a timeframe? 
Mr. Dale: Yes, up to 11:00 p.m, For what? For operating hours of the Hook and Eagle 
Tavern. 
Ms. DeVries: Right. I want music to be up to 9:00 p.m. outside and 10:00 p.m. inside or 
something like that. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

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Mr. Dale: Music up to 10:00 p .m. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. So operating means? 

Ms. DeVries: Serving drinks. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. So, from 11:00 p.m. to 12:00 a.m. is when people will still be 
there, but they're cleaning up. 
Mr. Dale: Employees only would be there. 
Mr. Colasinski: Right. They're no longer serving after 11:00 p.m. 
Mr. Dale: Right. Obviously ifJamie and Jen canIt service it, then theyIre going to tell us 
and we won't do that. 

Mr. Colasinski: I think I have an idea here. Do you want to propose a motion? 

Ms. DeVries: No. I want to talk about one more thing. 

Mr. Colasinski: Alright. 

Ms. DeVries: I want to talk about staffmg, because when we're talking about extending 
our hours at night, did I hear something about us making them earlier in the morning, too? How 
much staff do we have? 

Mr. Dale: This is why it's so important for Jamie and Jen to be involved, because if we 
can't staff it, then obviously we're not going to do it. We're not just going to arbitrarily set things 
up. 

Ms. DeVries: Right. 
Mr. Dale: But this is why we need the managers on the ground to have the flexibility to 
make that call. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. I'm fine with that as long as we're utilizing our staff at the hours 
when we make the most money. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. 

Ms. DeVries: When we have peaks. So, I don't want to overburden our staff. I don't want 
to exhaust it. Sometimes it gets to the point where it just seems like I feel like we're a little short 
staffed and ifwe're extending hours at the beginning and we're extending hours at the end, we're 
stretching them even thinner. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. 

Mr. Colasinski: And ifwe're opening the bar outside too. 

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Ms. DeVries: Right and if we're opening the bar outside, we're stretching them even 
thinner. So, I mean, we have to pick our battles. I would pick the late-night hours, like lunch 
through late night, but I have to look at the data to see. 

Ms. Webb: That and know that when choices have come up, I have also jumped in to 
help, because I'm not going to expect them to. If we have to have one go, then I do, but I'm not 
going to look at doing it all the time. I don't want to do it all the time. I just don't want to be 
yelled at. 

Ms. DeVries: Right and I think you want the flexibility to keep it open to 11:00 p.m. 

Mr. Dale: Flexibility is what we're talking about. 

Ms. Webb: The flexibility, but I also want to make sure that, like I said, the music isn't 
loud late at night and that we're not overstretching the staff. 

Mr. Dale: I wholeheartedly agree. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

Mr. Dale: Bill? Michelle, could you hold on? 

Ms. Webb: Okay. 

Mr. Macheras: I'm pretty sure I understand what you're asking. I know a lot of places, 
especially on Friday nights when there are football games, there's not a lot of places that stay 
open late and they don't advertise that they're open to 11:00 p.m. If you all get there and the 
football team comes in, they're going to stay late. So, you are not so much proposing that we're 
going to change the hours to 11:00 p.m. You're going to let the young ladies and gentlemen 
know, "Hey, we're going to end the band at 10:00 p m., but ifwe're still rocking and rolling, 
we're going to do a little soft closing." 

Ms. Webb: Yes. 

Mr. Macheras: Maybe at 10:30 p.m., we can flick the lights and start cleaning up so 
people get the message. you're looking more like that like a softer closing. 
Ms. DeVries: Yes. You got it. 
Mr. Dale: Yes. The only exception I would add to that would be on Saturday nights if we 

have a music on the patio night scheduled or now that we're heading into peak season, we're 
going to be doing the night golf, the glow golf. 

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Mr. Colasinski: I can summarize this in that we maintain an operational window from 

9:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m., we have guidelines for music and that outdoor music ends by 9:00 p.m. 
and indoor music ends by 10:00 p.m. 

Ms. DeVries: I look it as official operating hours. 

Mr. Dale: Operating guideline. I love everything that you just said. The only thing I will 
add to that is if we have music on the patio and it's like Lacey, she is not loud and she were to 
keep going till 10:00 p.m., I would be okay with that. 

Ms. DeVries: I guess I haven't experienced it. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, it is not anywhere near that loud. 

Ms. Webb: I had no idea there was a band last night. I knew that there was a 75th birthday 
party, but I had no idea that they were bringing a band. 
Mr. Dale: Yeah, the band caught all of us by surprise. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Ms. Webb: They booked the party through Jen in the house. I don't even know if Jen 
knew they were bringing a band. 

Mr. Dale: We had a long discussion. 

Mr. Colasinski: Time constrain the discussion because we're kind of going around and 
around. 
Mr. Dale: I agree. 
Mr. Colasinski: Alright. 
Mr. Dale: I like the way you phrased that, Steve. 
Mr. Colasinski: I will propose a motion that we have an operational window for the 

restaurant from 9:00 a.m. until 11:00 p.m., with the additional constraints of outdoor music 
ending at 9:00 p.m. and indoor music ending at 10:00 p.m. 

Mr. Dale: Do you want to go to 10:00 p.m. with the outdoor? 

Ms. DeVries: No. You know what? It gets into a hairy mess. I don't know. If we're going 

to say that we're only bringing in soft music, then I guess. I think the music outside should end at 

9:00 p.m. for our community's sake. 
Mr. Dale: I could live with it. Bill? 
Mr. Macheras: Was this thing that happened an anomaly? 
Mr. Dale: It was an anomaly. 
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Ms. DeVries: It was an anomaly, although I can hear karaoke night loud and clear too. 

Mr. Showe: I guess my question is, do we want to change the hours? The motion I was 
looking at was delegating authority to the Restaurant Manager and Amenity Manager to extend 
hours to 11:00 p.m. at Hook and Eagle, with music ending outside by 9:00 p.m. and inside by 

10:00 p.m. 
Ms. DeVries: I like that. 
Mr. Dale: Well, it's not going to happen all the time. That's the thing. 
Ms. DeVries: I like that. 
Mr. Showe: But it gives them the authority to extend it. 
Mr. Dale: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: One more time for clarity. 
Mr. Showe: The motion I was looking at, was delegating authority to the Restaurant 
Manager and AmenitylLifestyle Manager to extend hours at Hook and Eagle to 11:00 p.m., 
music to end outside by 9:00 p.m. and inside by 10:00 p.m. 

Mr. Colasinski: Jim, any thoughts? 

Mr. Moller: I'm okay with that, to be honest with you. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 

Mr. Moller: Like she said, I don't know how many outside bands we're going to have 
playing past 9:00 p.m, anyway. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: Why are we ending inside at 10:00 p.m.? Because you can't hear that. 
Ms. DeVries: I can hear it loud and clear on karaoke night. I hear all of the booming. 
Mr. Macheras: I think one reason would be something that you said earlier, the purpose 
would be if we ended at 10:00 p.m. 

Mr. Dale: That gives you the chance to mangle. 

Ms. DeVries: To close down and all of that. 

Mr. Showe: The point of that motion was, again, not permanently extending the hours, 

but giving the authority to be flexible when it's needed. 
Mr. Dale: Okay. Alright. I can live with all of that. 

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On MOTION by Mr. Colasinski seconded by Ms. DeVries: with 
all in favor delegating authority to the Restaurant Manager and 
AmenitylLifestyle Manager to extend the Hook and Eagle 
Restaurant hours to 11:00 p.m., with the music ending outside by 

9:00 p.m. and the inside music ending at 10:00 p.m. was approved. 
Mr. Colasinski: Jim, I think that light schedule out there, ifwe can extend it to like 12:30 
a.m., because if we are still serving until 11:00 p.m., cleanup is who knows how long and I just 
like to keep them on a little longer. I just want to have lights for people who are leaving. 

Mr. Dale: Alright, one [mal issue, golf course related. We've got our tournament on 
November 4 and I started doing some of it. Can you give me I don't need an exact number, but 
I'm hearing we've got roughly $3,200 that's supposed to go to the restaurant for a food budget, of 
which we probably wind up netting a third of that. So, roughly $1,000 there. Are you able to tell 
me what we're roughly going to take on the golf tonight? 

Mr. Moller: No, but I can give it to you tomorrow. 

Mr. Dale: Is it more than $10,000? 

Mr. Moller: It's more than we would normally make on an average day or even a good 
day in November. 
Mr. Dale: Okay. That's where I'm going. 
Mr. Moller: Yes. It will be a profitable day, because it's 144 players. 
Mr. Dale: The number that was thrown at me was something like $3,000 or $4,000. We're 
making $4,400 right now. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah. Okay. Because on a peak Saturday, we bring in over $10,000. 

Mr. Moller: In season. Not in November. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. Well, even during the summer, towards the beginning of the summer ... 

Mr. Colasinski: You get about maybe half that number. 

Mr. Moller: $10,000 is more like JanuarylFebruary. 

Mr. Dale: But you know where I'm going. 

Mr. Moller: I know where you're going. 

Mr. Dale: Where I'm going with this, again, I'm calling this the roots meeting. The 
overarching communication that I want to make and this is one of the areas that I agreed with 
Tim, every time he mentioned it, he said, HIf it's not making us a lot more money than what we 
would have normally made on a Saturday, why do we want the tournament?" I know we had a 

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couple go getters there where they were like, "Let's get tournament, tournament, tournament and 
everything." I just want to make sure that profit is the number one consideration when we're 
doing the tournaments and I'm just going to leave it at that. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, the nature of our facility is a public golf course. Private golf 
courses can do all the tournaments they want as a public facility. As a public facility, we have 
taxpayers that live within the District that should have the opportunity to play golf on the 
weekends. So, I don't want us to get a reputation that we cannot have tee times available for the 
residents of the District on the weekends. We have tournaments occasionally. Great, good idea, 
but if it's consistently, it gets very frustrating to the people who live within the District. I'm 
dealing right now as a member at another course where it's a semi private, but its tournament 
after tournament after tournament and when do we get to play? So, I don't want us to have that 
reputation since our intention for a public facility is provided for the residents. There's a blend in 
there somewhere. But I don't want us getting a reputation for having nothing but tournaments on 
weekends. 

Mr. Macheras: Jim, is this tournament, like most, where it's going to end at a certain time 
and then the public can still golf after? 

Mr. Moller: Yes. There will be afternoon tee times. 

Mr. Colasinski: Oh okay. 

Mr. Dale: That's all I got on the golf side. That's it. We got through my list. I'm not going 
to have anything for Supervisor's requests. Next is the District Manager's Report. 

B. 
District Manager's Report 
I, Discussion of Remaining Bond Projects 
Mr. Showe: There were some changes to the remaining bond funds, from what was in 
your agenda. I mocked it up and I put it up on the screen here. The one in your agenda package 
was ending in August, so we've updated it through September. Right now, we have about 
$251,000 left, with the requisition for the paving, which is on tonight's agenda, is $140,000. 
We've processed the payment for $2,500 for the restaurant cooler and the A/C in a not-to-exceed 
of $45,000. Of the $7,000 that we approved for the restaurant, that's about $4,500 and then 
there's about another $58,000 for Woodside Park upgrades. So, that's kind of the whole of what 
we have left in those bond funds. I will point out that obviously once we did that paving project, 
that was essentially the $6.2 million that was authorized for projects. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Right . 

Mr. Showe: So, the other $110,000 that we have available here, is basically the interest 
that you've accumulated on those bonds. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 
Mr. Showe: So that's kind of extra money. That's what we're looking at now. I'll send this 

out to the Board and we can obviously have a future discussion as we go through on those that 
are left, but that's what we're looking at right now. 

Mr. Dale: So that's the adjustments that you're recommending? 

Mr. Showe: Correct. There were one or two still in process from the money we had last 
month. Now with the audit, they are fully audited to account for it. So, that's what we got. 
Mr. Dale: What was the net decrease, again? 
Mr. Showe: It was about $60,000, which included the lakes. I took the lakes out for now 
since we did have funding allocated, but obviously this funding here you haven't approved at all. 

Mr. Colasinski: Well, ifwe need to, I think it's dependent upon the contingency of repairs 
for the lake. 
Mr. Showe: Absolutely. That one's fully flexible for the Board. 
Mr. Colasinski: Absolutely. 
Mr. Showe: I just wanted to provide that to you quickly. I'll send that out to the Board in 

a spreadsheet or something that you can have tomorrow. I literally got it on the way over here, so 
as I was eating dinner, I kind of mocked it up. 

Mr. Colasinski: Just one other thing along these lines. Jim, can you make sure that 
everybody on the Board is aware of your plan maybe for next summer for bunkers for the golf 
course? 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. I just want to get some quotes together to figure out how much it will 
cost us per square foot to just do greenside bunkers for next year. Currently we have over 60,000 
greenside bunkers that have basically 30 years of neglect and worn-out plumbing. They can 
make them smaller and make them a lot more maintenance friendly. In a nutshell, it will cost us 
less maintenance to make the golfers happy and if they're shaped right, they should last us 
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Mr. Colasinski: Yeah, the Master Plan that was established in 2015 indicates from USGA 
data, that we should be replacing irrigation in the bunkers every ten years. I don't know that 
we've ever done that yet. 

Mr. Moller: No, there is 30-year-old piping. I mean, there's probably like one or two, 
maybe half dozen that have been replaced over the years. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, the thing is, there's a definite need for an upgrade in the bunkers. 

Mr. Moller: In my experience, I know before it was budgeted to have bunker lining. 

Mr. Colasinski: Right. 

Mr. Moller: If the bunker is built right and you have adequate drainage, bunker lining is 
not needed. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, the upgrades for this would actually come out of the capital reserves 
that we've been saving. If we do that, that will catch us up on Master Plan and everything on 
there is covered. 

Mr. Moller: Right. 

We're good for at least another seven to ten years before we have to come back and do 
the next set of items for capital improvements. So, I just wanted to introduce that, so Bill knew 
about it as well. 

Mr. Macheras: When you say maintenance would be lower once you redo them, they will 
save money. 

Mr. Moller: Correct. 

Mr. Colasinski: And we might make some people happy. 

ll, Discussion of Marketing Director Credit Card 
Mr. Showe: The only other item I have is, we've been asked by the Marketing Director 
for a credit card. It makes sense and we can do internally, but in order to do that, we just need a 
vote. 
Ms. Webb: It's getting expensive on my account. 
Ms. DeVries: Maybe a credit card with a limit. 
Mr. Colasinski: Is there a recommended bank? 
Mr. Showe: It would be with whoever you have your checking account with. 
Ms. DeVries: It would be the same kind of card that Jim has. 

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Mr. Showe: Correct. It would be a similar card. As long as she keeps all of receipts, 
there's no abusing it. 

Ms. DeVries: When I give my employees credit cards, I set a spending limit on them. 

Mr. Colasinski: We also need timely submittals of the bills for the card as well. 

Mr. Moller: They go right to Inez. She goes through the statement. 

Ms. Webb: It makes my life easier. 

Ms. DeVries: We understand. 

Mr. Moller: She does a great job with keeping track. 

Mr. Colasinski: I will make the motion as Treasurer to approve the issuance of a credit 
card for our Marketing Department to facilitate events and activities. 
Mr. Dale: Is there a limit? 
Mr. Showe: The limit would be the same as Jim's. 
Mr. Moller: I think mine's $10,000. The food and beverage is $5,000. 
Mr. Showe: It would be something along those lines. 
Ms. DeVries: I would say there's a $5,000 limit on it. Something like that. 
Mr. Showe: We'll keep it at that for now and we can expand it if we have to. 
Mr. Dale: Is $5,000 going to be sufficient, because especially with events? 
Mr. Macheras: You can limit it to $10,000 and anything over five, we have to approve. 
Mr. Dale: During the course of a month is the problem. When you have a big event, it 

accumulates. What's starting to happen is especially if there's a rollover on the billing period, 

then she starts eating interest charges that she's been paying out of pocket. 

Ms. Webb: I ate $1,700 last year. 

Mr. Dale: I would think $10,000 would be enough. 

Ms . Webb: That should be fme, because a lot of them, like Space Coast magazine, bills 
me. I send it to Inez last night, that's crazy. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Ms. Webb: The Viera Voice is the same thing. She bills me and I send it directly. As 
soon as it comes, I send it right to them. Inez is great with that. But like the Facebook ads, the 
more I roll them, they're getting to be high. I think my last one was $800 and we are getting close 
to $1,000. That takes some time to get back. 

Ms. DeVries: Yeah. We don't want you in that situation. 

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Mr. Colasinski MOVED to approve a credit card for the Lifestyle 
Manager with a limit of $10,000 and Ms. DeVries: seconded the 
motion. 

Mr. Dale. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor approving a credit card for the 
Lifestyle Manager with a limit of $10,000 was approved. 

Mr. Moller: Just make sure that invoices are submitted at least weekly. 

Ms. Webb: I will. A lot of them were sent to you. 

Mr. Moller: Just so she has them in time so we can get the check cut. 

Ms. Webb: I know. I told Inez that won't do them the Hook and Eagle any longer because 
of what happened to them. 

• New Business: Discussion of PromotionaI Golf Rounds (Item 5B) 
Ms. DeVries: Are we on the LifestylelMarketing Report. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah. We do need to go back to the promotional rounds for the different 
groups that Jim was talking about earlier. 
Ms. DeVries: Yes, we do. 
Mr. Moller: I gave him a quick synopsis. I was waiting for you. Just basically, I ran into a 
situation with the Titusville Golf Club asking for rounds. I had to tum them down. It turns out 
that we were the only golf course in Brevard County not represented. 
Ms. Webb: Yeah, and that's what I asked, because I have been asked for a couple of 
things. 
Mr. Colasinski: I'm not going to be shamed into giving comp rounds. 
Ms. Webb: I said no, because I know you guys have the two organization limits, but 
some of the things that I get ask for would promote people to come to our course from those 
things. I get it where we don't want to give everybody free rounds, but I'm pretty good in this 
area of marketing and advertising. What I know is that it may bring in a better response by 
giving them four tickets versus saying no to them and then they go get them from Duran. 

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Mr. Dale: So, your point is that you feel if there is a marketing benefit derived from 
giving a couple or four or whatever tickets, you don't want to just give it to a nonprofit because 
XYZ Church is nice and they are doing something. It's sort of like running an ad. If you feel 
there's a derived benefit and it would come out of the marketing budget. Is that what you're 
proposing? 

Ms. Webb: Yes. 
Mr. Dale: Alright. And that's where I'm going to leave it for the Board to decide. You 
guys asked. I just wanted that clarified. 
Ms. DeVries: Give me an example of a situation where you want to give out a comp 
round? 

Ms. Webb: So, Harris has a big event that they do and they like to have baskets. Right? 
What brings up a lot of money to the course, is Harris Corporation. They come, they golf and 
they use the Hook and Eagle. They also use pro shop, I believe. 

Mr. Colasinski: You can't assume everyone at Harris plays golf. 

Ms. Webb: Not everybody, but they have a big facility off of Palm Bay Road. They are 
asking if you guys would donate two or four tickets. I like to say, "No," because we only have a 
couple that we promote, but we're starting to get a lot of their employees and I'm going to sell 
them the corporate passes. Right? So, I want them to help us. 

Ms . DeVries: You want to sell them corporate passes so you give a little. 

Ms. Webb: Right. 

Ms. DeVries: Okay. 

Ms. Webb: Their Christmas thing is coming up again. They mayor may not, but I know 
they got it from Duran last year. So, we got to kind of give and take when it's offering people to 
come or ifwe're going to go another way. 
Mr. Dale: Are we going to bill at market rate to the marketing budget to recomp the 

passes? 

Ms. Webb: I think that's where we can decide whether it would be a CDD rate. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. 

Mr. Dale: Or whatever the rate is. 

Mr. Colasinski: But what season, though? 

Ms. Webb: Those would be opened up, because they can use the tickets at any time. 

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Mr. Colasinski: Right. So, I would say that the CDD rate should probably be higher. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's more likely where they will use it. 

Ms. DeVries: Right. I would suggest setting a limit, like four passes per entity per year or 
something and only when we really feel that there would be a benefit to it. 
Ms. Webb: Oh yeah. That's the only reason I would. 
Ms. DeVries: Alright. 
Ms. Webb: Because when we were talking, he's like, "Yeah, all ofthese college kids are 

all over the place. " 

Mr. Moller: High school. 

Ms. Webb: High school. I'm sorry. When you start bringing them, the younger they are, 
the longer they stay. So, we've kind of seen that as well start to happen. We've getting all these 
old kids that are coming in all the time. 

Mr. Macheras: My son-in-law actually started a nonprofit. He does a golf tournament up 
in North Carolina. The golf packages are like the hottest things that go first as far as when you do 
a silent auction. One thing that I've noticed when I go to these tournaments is sometimes, 
because just like Steve said, earlier, "WhatamI going togetout ofit? " 

Ms. Webb: Right. 

Mr. Macheras: A lot of times they will have four free passes and then your next trip, you 
get $5 off at Hook and Eagle or something that entitles them to come back. I've seen a lot of 
places do something like that. You play for free. You have 30 days to get $5 off their first beer or 
whatever if they playa full round. So, there's a lot of ways you can get them to come back and 
make money off of it. 

Mr. Dale: If we do implement this, my suggestion would be to give you plausible 
deniability because you're still going to get hit from every nonprofit and religious entity and 
everything. What I would say is we still keep our rule in place for giveaways; however, if it's 
something that you feel may have a marketing benefit, the official policy is still for giveaways 
what it was, but for something that you think might have a marketing benefit, the two of you can 
decide and then take it out of the marketing budget. That still gives you plausible deniability to 
say, "I'm sorry, we can 't. The Board's position is this on giveaways? " 

Ms. DeVries: Yeah. I like that. Jim would weigh in on whether we give away these. 

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Ms. Webb: Right. Jim has to call me too because I have a certain part of my marketing 
that I have to shift money to. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, because there's a budget. 

Mr. Rysztogi: Yeah, it comes out of your budget. There is a budget cost and how you 
move your dollar around. 

Mr. Dale: Alright. I think we've had a lot of discussion on it and I think it's time to decide 
to vote or not. 

Ms. DeVries MOVED to allow the Lifestyle Manager to use four 
passes per entity per year when there is a marketing benefit with 
Mr. Jim Moller's approval and Mr. Macheras seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale: Otherwise, our official policy is still as it was. Is there any further discussion? 

Mr. Colasinsk:i: Yeah. I'd like to understand, first of all, the whole thing with comp 
rounds had to do with employees. 
Ms. DeVries: Employees and pros. 
Mr. Colasinsk:i: It had to do with more than employees. It had to do with many things. It 

was a cultural thing that had to change. I'm trying to see whether or not we have the historical 
data that says we've been able to make that cultural change. Alright and I'm looking on our CDD 
website and I can't get to the old data. What I want to look at how many comp rounds we had for 
Fiscal Year 2021. I canIt seem to find that information. Jason. Can you find how many comp 
rounds we had that year? 

Mr. Showe: I'll see what we have. 

Ms. DeVries: While he's looking for that, Michelle, I do have another question for you. 

Mr. Colasinski: I want to stay on one topic. I want to get the data first. We're drifting all 
over it and I never get my questions answered. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay, well, but speaking of data, I want to know how do we know if these 
are generating sales? 

Ms. Webb: Well, my thought process would be that we come up with a coupon style 
book ticket like that, that we put into the pro shop, so that when we give them away, whenever 
they renew, it will show that. We gather their data, their information, name, address, and we can 
start. 

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Ms. DeVries: And then we know if they come again. 
Ms. Webb: Yes. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Showe: I got it, Steve. The September 30, 2021 financials had 2020 comp rounds. 
Mr. Colasinski: Alright. The reason I'm saying it, is because I don't want to just do things 


because it's a good idea all the time. I also like to have some data behind it. Now, in the past 
year, we had 966 comp rounds. So, I think our goal has been accomplished with regards to 
cultural change in comp rounds. So, based on your motion, I think I'm done with my discussion. 
I have the data I need now that says we've made that cultural change. 

Ms. DeVries: And we want to monitor the data on this. 
Mr. Colasinski: We have that every month in a report from Jim. 
Ms. DeVries: Okay. 
Mr. Colasinski: So, I'm good with it, since we have the data that proves that we've made 


the cultural change. 
Mr. Dale: That was a good point and I appreciate that. 
Mr. Colasinski: Well, it's necessary to make decisions. 
Ms. Webb: I don't do anything without fmding data to back up what I'm doing. 
Ms. DeVries: I know. I just wanted to know how we were going to measure it. 
Ms. Webb: Yeah. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. I think we can go back to the vote. 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor allowing the Lifestyle Manager 
to use four passes per entity per year when there is a marketing 
benefit with Mr. Jim Moller's approval was approved. 

Mr. Dale: Jason, do you have anything else? 

Mr. Showe: Well, we have the LifestylelMarketing Report. I was going to do the 
presentation under financials. 

c. LifestylelMarketing Report 
Mr. Dale: Michelle, do you have anything further? Ifnot, we're obviously running a little 
late. 

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Ms. Webb: I'm good unless anybody has any questions. 

Mr. Dale: Real quick, how many attendees did you have at the last Farmer's Market? 

Ms. Webb: We just had 32. Actually, it was really busy. Jason, the PayPal account is 
getting up there. 

Mr. Showe: Okay. Just let me know. 

Mr. Dale: Okay. Thank you. 

D. Restaurant Report 
Mr. Dale: Do we have anything on the restaurant? 
Mr. Moller: I kind of touched on it in my General Manager Report, as far as the stove, the 
outside covering and the inside beer fridge. 1 know we talked about the hours. 
Mr. Dale: Right. I'm just going to add. I'm sure all of you saw the numbers, but I was 
hopeful there in the last month that we would finish in the black and we wound up finishing just 
very slightly in the red with the restaurant. That's the official number, but as I mentioned at 
previous meetings, I do want to emphasize again that we are doing triple the revenue that we 
were doing a couple of years ago. We are servicing a lot of people on affordable hamburger night 
and a lot of people on affordable wing night. So, I view that as an amenity that we are bringing to 
the residents as well as karaoke. The last thing that I will leave you with as part of that, we 
started the year off very much in the hole, because we were operating off a hibachi or a 
Blackstone for the first two months of the year and the restaurant was in shambles. So, were we 
not to have started off $35,000 in the hole, those first two months, we would have very much 
finished in the black. 
Mr. Macheras: So much business is down. We just had some expenses that we got behind 
the eight ball that won't recur every year. 
Mr. Dale: Exactly. Actually, had we had the bond funds, the way that we had originally 
discussed, is there was loss of revenue as part of the bond and that very much should have kicked 
in for both the pro shop and the restaurant. Ifthat had happened, then we'd very much be in the 
black. 
Mr. Rysztogi: I thought by now the restaurant menu would have been updated, because 
we were discussing making some changes with that and I thought that would increase. 
Mr. Dale: Michelle, would you like to address that? 

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Ms. Webb: Well, I asked Jamie last night for the second part of the menu. He gave me 
the first part. I just have to plug it in. Jamie sent me the first part, which was already set up. I told 
him I need second. He said he has it, but he just hasn't had a chance to put it up. I told him that I 
need it by the end of this week, because I still have to send the menus to the print shop to get 
them printed. 

Mr. Dale: So, she's going to have to spend time developing it. She will get it within a 
week. It's probably going to take her four or five days to develop it and then you got to send it to 
the print shop. 

Ms. Webb: But Jen needs to enter it in the system. 

Mr. Dale: It's probably going to be three weeks before we have them. 

Mr. Rysztogi: It is time consuming to prepare them, which is my concern, because I don't 
want people waiting for their meal. 
Ms. Webb: Okay. 
Mr. Showe: As long as the menu displays easy to prepare dishes .. . 
Ms. Webb: Yeah. I mean, I got the core stuff ready. He still has a second part and deserts 
that he had to give me. 

Mr. Dale: Ifyou can't put stuff together, you don't know what the stuff goes for. 

Mr. Colasinski: So, the thing is, when we have higher revenues like this, we also have the 
corresponding following higher expenses. Last month, we lost one $1,800 in the restaurant. It is 
a community service, but we always have to keep an eye on expenses because otherwise it can 
go in a very negative direction quickly. So, I think we just need to maintain a monthly review. 
Everyone on the Board take a look in the fmancials to see are we making money, losing money, 
ifwe're breaking even, 11m good. Okay. I'm good with that, but ifwe have a continuous trend of 
losing money, then we may have to take some root cause and understand what's going on. The 
other thing is, you're getting ready to go over a fmancial review over a period of five years. I 
want to also indicate and congratulate the people who worked in golf operations and in the pro 
shop in the last year for doing a great job of being fiscally responsible. The challenges that were 
there with regard to inflation, were huge and numerous, especially in the operations area. So, 
Wes and you and that team did very, very well in constraining expenses for the golf course, in 
areas they have very little control with. Finding alternative solutions, I think should be applauded 
and also the efforts in the pro shop, we dealt with a lot of ambiguity. We came out of a 

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remodeling last year that was happening in August and September. Granted, we kind of got back 
in there in October, but that was a big impact. So, kudos to the team in golf operations and the 
pro shop for coming out well ahead of the game this year in that regard. So, that needs to be 
highlighted in our meeting minutes before we get into this, regarding the effort that happened 
there in the last year. 

Mr. Dale: Alright, Mary Ann, what we're about to go through is really interesting. I know 
you got to go, but it will be allover social media. 

Ms. DeVries: Thanks for coming. 

Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): This meeting went on and on and on. Its 

10:00 p.m. I waited and waited. 
Mr. Dale: We'll have it on social media. 
Mr. Showe: It will be on the website. 
Resident (Mary Ann Ferraro, Fawn Ridge): Goodnight. I'm going to hold you to two 
weeks. 
Mr. Dale: Thank you, dear. 

EIGHTHORDEROFBUSINESS 
Treasurer's Report -Consideration of 
Financial Statements 

Mr. Showe: I have a couple of notes on the fmancials that we presented. Although they 
are through September 30th, they haven't been audited and there may be some other invoices 
coming in. So, there may be some minor adjustments to the fmal numbers, but we did want to 
take a look at kind of the last five-or six-years' worth of data. We start off with how we 
normally start off the presentations, just kind of showing the actual scope and size of the District. 
It is one of the larger eDDs in the state. It's definitely the largest one that I manage. So, you do 
have a lot of ground to cover. As part of that, we wanted to layout what kind of the District 
looks like. You have got 31 subdivisions, over 4200 residential units, as well as 205 acres of 
commercial properties. We employ 60 full-time staff members. A lot of folks just see Viera as a 
golf course, but we wanted to highlight some of the things that are not really associated with the 
golf course that residents get benefits from. So, obviously the District conducts fire line 
maintenance. We own over 1,000 acres of wetlands and conservation area . We do maintain a 
scrub jay habitat . There are 84 eDD retention ponds, so there's a lot of space. There are also 5 
miles worth of sidewalks and bike paths, Woodside park, which has a natural playground and a 

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dog park, various infrastructure as well as trails. Then as part of the golf assets of the District, 
we've got the CDD owned and maintained restaurant, as well as the championship golf course 
and practice range. We've listed our website there for everyone. We want to just take kind of a 
look at all the numbers. Again, we're not going to go into a lot of detail on any of these, but just 
kind of look at some of the trends. So, this is just golf course profit from 2018 through 2023. 
You'll see that from 2018 to 2020, there was a total profit of $23,945. That is cumulative of those 
three years. Then from 2021 to 2023, it's been $1.1 million. So, that's quite a difference in profit 
over those sections. One item that comes up, a lot of questions that we get is, is the bond the 
reason why the golf course has been profitable over those years? So, we put together this chart 
that just shows obviously revenues on the left and expenses on the right. I think what you'll see 
in general, is that the expenses are level from 2018 even through 2021. They're not a great 
variation. In 2022 and 2023, you'll see the expenses start to go up, which again is a result of the 
inflation that I think we've all seen. But what you'll see the big change in is on the revenue side. 
So, that's really where that gap in profit comes from. It's just the way that the Board has been 
able to use their schedule of fees to kind of manipulate and create more additional revenue 
opportunities. 

Mr. Dale: Wow. I really love those last three years. So, what that is really demonstrative 
of, what it shows, but the revenues have not gone down any of those three years. In fact, they 
have increased each of the three, which is the main thing that we've been able to derive our 
income from. The way it's looking to me is that it's predominantly inflation that's been eroding at 
the profits over the past couple of years. 

Ms. DeVries: That is how it looks. 

Mr. Showe: Correct. Again, I think what this highlights, too, is that you haven't increased 
profitability by decreasing expenses. You haven't restricted the maintenance on the course or 
changed anything that you're doing kind of on the course and maintenance, which maintains 
those profits. 

Mr. Colasinski: That's a huge round of applause to the people in operations and in the pro 
shop and holding those expenses down. 

Mr. Showe: Absolutely. 

Mr. Dale: Let me ask you, why was the bond funding not a primary reason for profit? 

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Mr. Showe: Yeah. The way I look at it, is exactly what I was saying, you haven't 
decreased expenses, which would be a call to profit. Obviously, there are only two drivers of 
profit. You either increase your revenues or you decrease expenses. That's kind of the only two 
ways you can do it. 

Mr. Dale: I guess where I'm going with this, is where did the bond money go? 

Mr. Showe: Oh, the bond money is in a separate fund and it's only for capital projects for 
long term and not operational expense. So, the bond funds aren't used to supplement operational 
expenses by law. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, because that's a big rumor that's going around the golf course and that's a 
very important point to address. 

Mr. Macheras: So, let me ask you this. 

Mr. Showe: Sure. 

Mr. Macheras: With that being a big point and I know you said this is going to be on the 
website, what could we put on the website that gives a brief description of just what you guys 
talked about, so if those questions come up? Do you know what I'm saying? Because a lot of 
people aren't like us that could look at this and see why. So, it might just be something to think 
about is we put a little blurb. 

Mr. Dale: The way I'm hearing you, you have operational expenses and income. 

Mr. Showe: Right. 

Mr. Dale: And you have capital expenses. The two are completely apples and oranges. 

Ms. DeVries: In the corporate world, the way we would do that is that this would be a 
capital expense, but it would be accrued over the lifetime of the asset. 
Mr. Showe: Correct. 
Ms. DeVries: So, you wouldn't use bond money to buy anything that would have a 

lifespan of less than 10 or 20 years. In the corporate world, you would accrue those expenses, but 
in the government world, it's a separate bucket that says, «Thisbucketisfor capital." 

Mr. Showe: Right. Then beyond that, obviously, I know one of the goals of this Board 
was to increase your capital reserves. So, this is not a cumulative total, but this is the total of 
what you have at the start of every fiscal year. What you see again is the dramatic increase in 
your capital reserves. I will note, this is combined General Fund and Golf Course Fund into your 
one Capital Reserve Fund. But I think what you see is kind of, again, an increase. 

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Mr. Colasinski: We also establish the emergency fund also. That's part of this. 

Mr. Showe: Correct. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay, very good. Thank you. 

Mr. Showe: So, then finally, we want to look at what's happened to residents' 
assessments out there. We'll note again, this slide is really just a residential home. Commercial is 
a little more difficult to calculate and it's done at various acreage rates. On a residential home out 
here, you see that the assessment increased from $679 per residential home. At the same time, 
there was actually more money going into capital reserve now than there was before. So, I think 
that's a benefit of the kind of structure that this Board has taken. But anyway, let's go to the 
summary. CDD assessments have been lowered. The golf course revenue and profits have been 
increased. The reserves have increased. Obviously, the Board expects to continue their future 
goals, which is to be as profitable as possible, provide a great value and a high-quality 
experience for COD residents and guests, continue to build reserves and not issue any more 
bonds, which will place that burden on the residents for future years to payoff. So again, we'll 
take any questions from the Board on those. 

Mr. Colasinski: No. It's a good summary. 

Mr. Dale: Well, I'm glad to get the FY 2023 number to see where we're at. So, that means 
a 4% bonus for the employees this year. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah. 
Mr. Dale: Jim, would you care to share the way you've explained the 10% rule of gross 

revenues with golf courses? 

Mr. Moller: It was just a study in the National Golf Foundation when I was pulling a lot 
of the data, on what they deem, UA successful golf course is a golf course that makes a profit of 
5% to 10% of its revenue." That puts us into the $117,000 to $230,000 range. So, the fact that 
we're constantly netting over $300,000 for the last three years, I guess by definition makes us 
extremely successful. 

Mr. Dale: We're in the 15% plus range. 

Ms. DeVries: Right. 

Mr. Dale: That really bumped us up. 

Ms. DeVries: In grade that would be like in the AlB range, like top tier. 

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Mr. Dale: Actually, Jason, I didn't see that slide in there, but from 2014 to 2021, I think 
for a seven-year period, there was essentially no profit for the golf course. 
Mr. Showe: Yeah, there were some years where, even in this selection here, there was a 
2019 loss. There were various ups and downs prior to that. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: But we kind of just want to keep the timeframe the same for all the charts so 
it's consistent. 

Mr. Colasinski: I appreciate the efforts fiscally to continue to build the capital reserves, 
especially for the golf course, since that is an essential community function, not just for Viera 
East, but for Brevard County itself. Also, the capital reserves for the District for continuing to 
serve the residents of our District as well. So those are very positive indicators. 

Mr. Showe: It shows long term commitment. So, it's not what's easy to do right. You 
know, it's kind of building the District and setting it up. 

Mr. Colasinski: We have other things that we need to do in the future for infrastructure 
for the District. I'm hoping we can spend more money on infrastructure maintenance as well, 
getting a better look ahead as to what might be on the horizon, so we can avoid special 
assessments which can happen. I know other CDDs where emergencies have happened and they 
had to do multi thousand dollars special assessments in a year. I'd like to avoid that by 
continuing to build our reserves. 

Mr. Showe: In one example, I know once we get the kind of check off on the parking lot 
paving, I think that's the time to start looking at three years down the road, doing a ceiling on that 
as opposed to just letting it go. You can kind of stretch those dollars a little bit to get 20% to 30% 
more extension out of that life. 

Mr. Dale: Jason, in my corporate park, we do that, like you said, every three to five years 
and the parking lot is in great shape now. We haven't had to replace anything and it was built 
roughly in 2020, probably about seven years before the golf course parking lot. But it was night 
and day, the shape of our corporate park versus the golf course lot. Had they been doing that all 
along, we wouldn't have had to spend $200,000. 

Mr. Showe: Again, you still spend it at some point, but it makes it look more attractive. A 
lot of folks don't realize the benefits it actually has with the pavement. 
Mr. Dale: Right. 

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Mr. Showe: It puts essential oils and stuff in the pavement that keep it right versus just 
letting it dry out. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. Well, I very much appreciate you taking the time to put that together. That 
will be on the CDD website. 

Mr. Showe: I'll send it to Michelle so she can put it out on social media. 

Mr. Dale: I did like Bill's suggestion that maybe a little clause in there about operational. 

Mr. Showe: I can put something together. 

Mr. Dale: Well, thank you very much. 

Mr. Showe: Absolutely. 

A. Approval of Check Register 
Mr. Dale: We are moving onto the Treasurer's Report, approval of the Check Register. 
Mr. Showe: We have Checks #4800 through #4838 for the General Fund as well as 
Checks #31077 through #31145 for the Golf Course Fund. 

Mr. Colasinski MOVED to approve the Check Register for 
September 21, 2023 through October 18, 2023 in the amount of 
$331,147.26 and Mr. Rysztogi seconded the motion. 

Mr. Dale. Is there any discussion? Hearing none, 

On VOICE VOTE with all in favor the Check Register for 
September 21, 2023 through October 18, 2023 in the amount of 
$331,147.26 was approved. 

B. Balance Sheet and Income Statements 
Mr. Showe: You have your Balance Sheet and Income Statement. We can take any 
questions on that. 

c. Approval of Requisitions No. 168 
Mr. Showe: Finally, we have Requisition 168, which was the [mal payment for the 
pavement. 
Mr. Dale: Please tell me it's not another Macik invoice. 

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Mr. Showe: This is the fmal one. Again, we donIt intend to pay him until the engineer 
gives the fmal approval, but we would like to have the check prepared. 

Mr. Rysztogi: I did go out and look at the pavement yesterday. It had rained the day 
before. There were some puddles in the lot, but like I was saying, it's not a perfect world. There 
was no puddle larger than five-foot diameter. That was the largest one that I found and I thought 
it drained rather well. 

Mr. Showe: Again, that will be something our engineer will look at. If there are issues 
like that, you have got a warranty. We have a performance bond. 
Mr. Dale: For the purpose of the minutes, will you please share also what they found 
when they did all of the milling of the pavement, the disparity? 

Mr. Moller: There was very inconsistent depth with the existing asphalt. They ran into 
some areas that were maybe an inch deep. Other areas were in excess of four. So, it was just a 
very inconsistent application. 

Mr. Dale: In other words, it was a lousy parking lot, originally. 

Mr. Rysztogi: It looks twice as big. 

Mr. Moller: Yeah. Well, that's what I was telling you yesterday. It's because there were 
no construction vehicles and dirt mounds. 

Mr. Dale: Yes. It's nice and shiny and it perfectly complements all of the other new stuff. 

Mr. Rysztogi: Yeah, when you drive up now and you pull in there, you can see how nice 
and black the parking lot is and crisp lines and great parking. You can see where the handicapped 
spots really are. 

Mr. Dale: Alright. 

Mr. Showe: We need a motion to approve that requisition. 

On MOTION by Mr. Colasinski seconded by Mr. Rysztogi with all 
in favor Requisitions No. 168 was approved. 

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Viera East CDD 

NINTH ORDER OF BUSINESS 
Organizational Matters 

A. 
Acceptance of Resignation of Peter Carnesale 
B. 
Appointment of Individual to Fulfill the Board Vacancy with Term Ending 
November 2024 
C. 
Administration of Oath of Office to NewlyAppointed Supervisor 
D. Consideration of Resolution 2024·01 Electing Assistant Secretary 
This item was discussed. 
TENTH ORDER OF BUSINESS 
Supervisor's Requests 

Mr. Dale: We are on Supervisor's Requests. I have none. Let's start with the new guy. 

Mr. Macheras: Real quick. I don't know what is normal, but I have some notes. Do you 
share emails like follow up questions or input? 

Mr. Dale: Off meeting, I'm going to ask Jason to give you the Sunshine talk.. 

Mr. Showe: The quick answer is, ifyou have questions that you need to follow up on for 
the meetings, you want to get with Jim or I and not other Board Members. We can fill you in on 
where we're at and pass on whatever information we have. 
Mr. Dale: Where that becomes extra special, is when they send out emails, do not reply to 
all. 

Mr. Macheras: Okay. 

Mr. Showe: You will see a reminder on the bottom of my emails that say that. 

Mr. Dale: You can't have any communications between the Board Members. 

Mr. Macheras: My second quick thing item is, Jennifer, I don't know your background, 
but my first career was in retail. I never owned my own business, but as somebody smarter than 
me told me to treat it like I did so as far. I am happily retired, but with input, the handbook, 
training, I'm happy to sit with you. As far as being on the other side of the table, I'm happy to 
look at some of that stuff. 

Ms. DeVries: Okay. 

Mr. Macheras: The last thing is, and I understand that residents make comments, because 
we have the same thing at VECA, most of our meetings are like this, not too high energy. I felt a 
little bad for the gentleman that came and asked about his backyard. A lot of you all are vets. My 
son serves and I get it. We got a letter we're going to send him. I just hope that maybe with that 
letter, there's some type of explanation. I don't know. It tugged at me a little bit that he stood up 
for 15 seconds. We did nothing wrong. Then his wife had a question and then in two minutes, 

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they were gone; Part of me says, we owe him a little bit more than just mailing him a letter. 
That's just coming from my heart, in seeing a veteran here. There's probably nothing that we're 
liable for. I don't know anything about it, but part of that, I felt bad. It's like my dad told me, 
there are the right things and then there's the right things to do. So again, without getting outside 
of what our responsibility is, hopefully something whatever that letter looks like, assists him in 
whatever he's trying to fix. 

Mr. Showe: 1111 draft it up. There was a memo that our engineer put together. 

Mr. Macheras: Okay. 

Mr. Showe: I have it on my list to try to find them. When they came, they didn't fill out 
the request form to begin with and I didn't have any contact information. I looked for it. 
Mr. Macheras: I felt bad. 
Mr. Showe: They sent in an HOA request form that didn't have a phone number or an 

emailaddress. So,now thatIhaveit,I'llgetahold ofthem.I'll putanice lettertogether andhelp 
them. 
Mr. Dale: But I do just want to touch on, because that has been the previous policy of this 
Board and I do want to remain consistent. 

Mr. Macheras: I get that. 

Mr. Dale: Believe me, we get some people and they come up and say some nasty things 
in their three minutes. It is their constitutional right, as far as I am concerned. I will defend that 
till I die, that they get to say that. However, it is then the Board's option, during the course of the 
meeting. What was starting to happen at the beginning of our tenure, is it turned into a tit for tat 
and all that. It kind of has to be like a School Board meeting now, where you get the three 
minutes. Then if it's an issue that is important enough for a Board Member to address, then they 
will address it. 

Mr. Colasinski: I would like to insist that we stay with that protocol as well. 

Mr. Macheras: I agree with that too. I do also want to say thank: you. I appreciate your 
kind words and your support. I'm excited to be a part of. this Board and I'm looking forward to 
following in that young man's footsteps and hopefully be an asset. I appreciate your vote of 
confIdence. 

Mr. Dale: Thanks, Bill. Ron? 

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Mr. Rysztogi: When I was at the golf course yesterday, I was told that the Board is 
putting in a miniature golf course. 

Mr. Dale: Let the record reflect that there was a large amount of laughter right now. 

Mr. Rysztogi: I just wanted to let you know. 

Mr. Dale: I thought we were past that. Jim, do you have those windmills yet for the 
putting green? Can we get those windmills up? 

Mr. Colasinski: Are there AC or DC motors on those windmills? 

Mr. Moller: I forgot to do that. 

Ms. DeVries: Someday, Ron, we'll give you the backstory. 

Mr. Rysztogi: Everything looked great yesterday. Like I was discussing with Jim, I'm 
really impressed with how things have been working out. It looks so clean now. It's so nice. 
Everything I looked at, whether it was the facility itself, the building, the restaurant, I was really 
impressed. They were trying to put the range in yesterday. 

Mr. Dale: Right. 

Mr. Showe: That was a little disturbing mess there. Everything looked great. I was very 
happy. 
Mr. Dale: Awesome. Thank you. Steve? 
Mr. Colasinski: For Veterans Day, we had a plan for giving veterans a discount in both 

the restaurant and in the pro shop on rates. Can we get an advertisement out about that, because 
no one knows about it now. 

Ms. Webb: I know. 

Mr. Colasinski: I'm just saying that is a Supervisor Request. 

Ms. Webb: It's on my list of things to do this week. 

Mr. Colasinski: Okay, but is the information squared away? Do you know what he's 
proposing? 
Ms. Webb: 20% with a free hot dog. 
Mr. Colasinski: Okay. 
Mr. Dale: 20% off of what? 
Mr. Moller: The golf rate. 
Mr. Dale: What ifyou're a CDD member? 
Mr. Moller: Its 20% off. 

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Mr. Dale: Okay. 

Mr. Colasinski: Thank you. 

Mr. Moller: It's just cleaner if it's 20% off of anything. 

Mr. Dale: I got it. It does not apply to CnD members. 

Ms. Webb: They would get a veteran rental when they check in. 

Mr. Colasinski: Just let them know what's in store for them. 

Mr. Dale: Awesome. 

Ms. Webb: I let Jamie know, too, that he has his hot dog account. 

Mr. Dale: Yeah, that's a good point. 

Ms. Webb: They need to make sure that they are ready for hot dogs, because we gave out 
over 200. 

Ms. DeVries: So, am, since you asked about my background, I worked in management in 
corporate America for about a little less than half of my career. I've started my own business and 
run my own business. My expertise, which I've been doing it for decades, is in training and 
development. I have a bachelor's degree in business and a master's degree in instructional and 
training technology. I have many certifications and years of experience. 

Mr. Macheras: Excellent. 

Ms. DeVries: So, I'm very familiar with all the online learning programs that are out 
there. 
Mr. Macheras: I appreciate that. 
Mr. Dale: I have nothing to add. 
Mr. Showe: I do just want to point out that we actually have a meeting next week because 

we moved them up for November. So, it's just a reminder for everybody. We'll see you again 
next week. 

Mr. Dale: It's a workshop. Lovely. Alright, well, with that being said, we will entertain. 
Motion to adjourn. 

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ELEVENTHORDEROFBUSINESS Adjournment 

On MOTION by Mr. Rysztogi seconded by Mr. Macheras with all 
in favor the meeting was adjourned. 

/Assistant Secretary 
ChairmanNice Chairman 

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